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Title: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 08, 2016, 08:05:23 PM
Here's a thread to post all the good stuff on ebay that you either don't want or can't afford - so that one of us in the community can get it instead of random Bob, Joe or Steve!

Here's a couple of Conns that may interest somebody.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-CONN-Eb-albert-system-clarinet-super-rare-E-flat-made-around-1916-/201641585612?hash=item2ef2c66bcc:g:inQAAOSwInVXHWqy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Conn-7-Ring-Bb-LP-Boehm-System-Wood-Clarinet-Overhauled-/142078672658?hash=item21148c7f12:g:Na0AAOSwHnFV3mKM
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 08, 2016, 08:10:32 PM
I already have a Kohlert alto, so:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-V-Kohlert-and-Sons-bass-clarinet-/191938811177?hash=item2cb071d529:g:8r8AAOSwCfdXpDxb
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 08, 2016, 10:55:03 PM
I suppose this should fall under bad stuff, instead of good stuff, but it depends upon one's vantage point, I suppose.  This one was ridden hard and put away wet, many, many times (perhaps at the bottom of the ocean, from the looks of it).
The bell is wrong, the barrel is cracked and repaired incorrectly, and the mp is a "throwaway".
The body looks sound, but the keys are beyond a simple polishing.  I sense that a re-plate is most certainly in order. 
BOTTOM LINE:  Very sweet, 120 year old 4 ring clarinet in LP, but abused beyond reason.  Worth it at $129.00?  Not to me, but YMMV...
(If I'm jacking the thread, please relocate this, Dave.)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-wooden-Bb-Clarinet-Amati-Kraslice-4rings-needs-cleaning-and-service/131897510914?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37471%26meid%3D346b4e4642e84d6caa7c32286b4f16db%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291835178864
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 08, 2016, 11:12:00 PM
I suppose this should fall under bad stuff, instead of good stuff, but it depends upon one's vantage point, I suppose.  This one was ridden hard and put away wet, many, many times (perhaps at the bottom of the ocean, from the looks of it).
The bell is wrong, the barrel is cracked and repaired incorrectly, and the mp is a "throwaway".
The body looks sound, but the keys are beyond a simple polishing.  I sense that a re-plate is most certainly in order. 
BOTTOM LINE:  Very sweet, 120 year old 4 ring clarinet in LP, but abused beyond reason.  Worth it at $129.00?  Not to me, but YMMV...
(If I'm jacking the thread, please relocate this, Dave.)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Old-wooden-Bb-Clarinet-Amati-Kraslice-4rings-needs-cleaning-and-service/131897510914?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D37471%26meid%3D346b4e4642e84d6caa7c32286b4f16db%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D291835178864

That one reminds me of...  http://www.clarinetpages.net/albert-system-clarinets/titanic-wreck-clarinet
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 08, 2016, 11:55:25 PM
The Hindley is already gone.  8)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 09, 2016, 07:08:35 AM
Indeed it does, Dave! 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on August 09, 2016, 04:04:08 PM
This one's not on eBay, but if you're in the Chicago area and in need of a bass, it could be worth a look.  It's been hanging out there for over a month.
https://us.letgo.com/en/i/kohler-woodwind_34b530f1-a5e4-4472-a5a5-5de68c70f71f
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 09, 2016, 05:22:26 PM
This one's not on eBay, but if you're in the Chicago area and in need of a bass, it could be worth a look.  It's been hanging out there for over a month.
https://us.letgo.com/en/i/kohler-woodwind_34b530f1-a5e4-4472-a5a5-5de68c70f71f
I can see that going for $600 easy on ebay... Too bad I'm a thousand miles away :(
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 09, 2016, 06:54:31 PM
For whoever likes Monopoles:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Couesnon-Monopole-Bb-Clarinet-/172300025877?hash=item281de1c015:g:CcwAAOSwZVlXqd13
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: BLMonopole on August 12, 2016, 05:01:14 AM
I do love a nice Couesnon!  Especially the Monopole.....sadly, I already have one, and the resale demand on them isn't especially strong. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 14, 2016, 12:52:14 PM
Wow.  This is a lot of chicken scratch for a clarinet with no description...1929 Selmer, or not.
I was very surprised by the outcome:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Selmer-Paris-Sole-Agent-U-S-CAN-Clarinet-Made-in-France-No-Reserve-/401162638053?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=NexWi5W28SG8ka7PF%252FBQiSKBy78%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 15, 2016, 07:00:12 AM
A Selmer with a wrap around register key (never seen that before) and an Albert lower joint mixed with a Boehm upper? And the serials match?  ???

The upper and lower are both clearly marked.  In any case, rare bird by famous maker is the only explanation.

FYI, I took a shot at the Kohlert alto Dave posted;- aimed a little too low. Oh well, the romantic optical effects in the photos kind of put me off on a higher bid. Too many mysteries in the shadows, but it looked like a nice clarinet. Most Kohlerts are.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 15, 2016, 07:55:33 AM
That's Albert on the upper joint, too.  Look at where the four trill keys should be. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 15, 2016, 10:15:43 PM
Too many mysteries in the shadows
Funny, the metal Kohlert I nabbed for $82 was actually a complete surprise.  The pics weren't that good and I was blind or something that night so I thought it was wood.  Imagine my surprise when I opened the box...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 16, 2016, 12:47:40 AM
I can barely even tell what's going on with the keys on this one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Albert-System-Clarinet-Unidentified-READ-DESCRIPTION-/391532703454?hash=item5b292aeede:g:h0AAAOSwV0RXsMcl
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 16, 2016, 12:53:56 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Musical-Instrument-Parts-/282133698682?hash=item41b07a987a:g:DmAAAOSwHoFXriP8

If you're in the area....
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 16, 2016, 07:37:53 AM
A prototype Pan American?  That's the story.  No maker's mark, no serial.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/152188453666 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/152188453666)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 16, 2016, 09:41:39 AM
A prototype Pan American?  That's the story.  No maker's mark, no serial.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/152188453666 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/152188453666)

Wow, that must be completely unique!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 16, 2016, 11:22:09 AM
An ad from Popular Mechanics, October 1952.

These seem to be coming down in price on "the bay".  Does anyone know what kind of wood it really is?  Is it straight-up plywood or billets of something easier to get / less expensive than grenadilla?  The googles suggest various theories.  "Guaranteed not to crack!"

From the set of magazines that El GOOG has, the ads run from '50 to '54.  The one with the flute and the clarinet is the last one, from 2/54. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 16, 2016, 05:16:46 PM
It's not the same as construction plywood, but it is a laminated wood. It is most likely at least two different American hardwoods, perhaps maple and walnut? I am just guessing, but it probably was less expensive than either grenadilla or hard rubber. I have only seen it in photos.

Most of the Pan American clarinets that are black look like hard rubber, not plastic. In that hard rubber was generally available, it would seem that Conn either thought a "wood" product would sell better or would sound better or both. Rubber was temporarily in short supply during the wars because tires were still made of natural rubber and it was needed for military vehicles. The laminate might have been developed as an answer to a temporary rubber shortage? The other advantage might have been durability as well as maintaining the strength of longitudinal wood grain. Conn was an innovator concerning materials. I think they were just trying something new.

These days, the laminated wood is a rare visual novelty. It still has the Pan American key work, which is OK, but certainly not the same as the key work on a Conn 424N or 444N. Why someone would pay twice to three times the cost of a 424N or 444N just to have the "look" is beyond me. I think the people paying the higher prices must be collectors who are not players. The reports from various players who have tried these is that there is nothing spectacular about the way these play or sound.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: rezzie on August 16, 2016, 05:59:39 PM
The reports from various players who have tried these is that there is nothing spectacular about the way these play or sound.
These were made of laminated cocobolo plywood cut into billets for clarinets.  The wood looks like the laminated wood for WW2 propellers, hence the propeller-wood Conn name for these.

There is nothing at all spectacular about these clarinets except that they are really, really pretty when you clean them up right.  Note how beautifully this wood 'grain' transitions from the body to the bell and barrel.  This is one padded out in lovely white roo pads and tweaked as much as I can and it's still bog average at best as a player.  Sure does look good.

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(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/VBB3vhOegzNNCjbpkLmsyLmRbJoivRl3VrsUaj1IP1lrPxdnbnMfFIFahRGhWD0MwdZ5lVIU0UHB-JGe7aUx5EcOE0JfrIDSBWUx1yy_mkAJWn1iqymnstETyfn2eC72a-0s5QVx2GS5AdlmcSso0QMsgxpSXHYLejrCbmTTwaI9llIeV7URUy6_6QSr46gcnyH4K5IWTQMwdeC05lIzmhz6kvTrGJwQ149iLFqqnOcJlR6K_w9JtAWkUBnFiDZgvGrAoO95GlHw8c3aPf0BlqUnOQ353CZSVmIxYz2afpHjL9RfU-5scwvQrcA56J40eyQO5e9-BHx-Lc35_G7n5xsDRGwpXCxxbkEWHNybF3nnsfnMEvA5t5JUC1qIaEar8QkczCouzMMn6a1NVoVrFpdK0fUSs6Y8jiltDHy6YNaQ-YJT3a-7ZY5tlLbBaT5pdK99ReKdgvGe2Wp6ZlGiWijAzpiRhvuwcTBsM08tCbiRHeDzUZzODdoUqac_CTjwyfZLbqnP4Z_pa0eJoXFbO_qXyEg5bSFsRcLN075N8rPxdbo-q1mamDDu2t2O8Gb0j4x3byCK9IBP0vu22hLTk11TRDRgCJk=w1287-h965-no)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 16, 2016, 07:59:49 PM
I can barely even tell what's going on with the keys on this one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Albert-System-Clarinet-Unidentified-READ-DESCRIPTION-/391532703454?hash=item5b292aeede:g:h0AAAOSwV0RXsMcl

Dave,
That's the most sophisticated Albert I have ever seen.  I'd very much like to know who made it.
It's certainly old, but not too old (1920-1940s?), and I'll hazard a guess that it's a B&H.  They were one of the few Western manufacturers still making Alberts after it was no longer "cool", and the joints flare out like all B&Hs.  I know there were other manufacturers who flared their joints, but none so pronounced as Boosey.
As for the lack of the barrel and bell, I'm sure Backun could have this "little dandy" outfitted with one phone call.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 16, 2016, 10:09:51 PM
Looks Oehler or German system. It has one more ring than my J. Mollenhauer in the LJ, UJ is the same key work. This is probably a German maker but the thumb rest is atypical of early 20th century German clarinets. Most of the German clarinets have the "coat hook" type thumb rest. Nice pair of joints, indeed. Matching a barrel might be interesting. These take short barrels, about 57mm usually. And to make it really correct it should also get a German MP and German cut reeds. Lack of short proper barrel has the Mollenhauer currently sidelined. I think we can look for the bids on that pair to finish a good bit higher than the current bid.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 17, 2016, 02:56:54 PM
Laminated tropical hardwoods is going to take careful gluing, which I've been taught requires a pre-cleaning with a solvent to get the oils out of the surface and especially the pores.  If they skipped that step, or clamped the billets too tightly, they were going to have some de-lamination problems.  The good news is (a) de-lams should be fairly easy to fix, especially with modern glues and (b) they will be reasonably water-tolerant. 

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 17, 2016, 03:50:30 PM
What is the information source that the Conn violin finished clarinets are cocobolo?  ???
I am forever skeptical;- please forgive me.
I don't want to start paying for these just to check out the wood species content.

Anyone like to see my collection of Alexandre Selmer, I mean Alexandre Paris clarinets made in Germany?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 20, 2016, 07:44:32 PM
I know it's only a matter of time before one of us insults another member's listing, and that will never be my intent, but I just have to know what makes this seller think this horn is worth any place close to what he's asking?
The USN brand alone?  Don't get me wrong;  these were some of the best clarinets in the world at the time, preferred over just about anything else, but I still can't wrap my head around the asking price.  Have a look:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122059615807?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 20, 2016, 07:53:08 PM
Especially at that condition...
Maybe he does what i do, set price high and accept any reasonable offer. But still thats a bit much...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 21, 2016, 06:59:14 AM
I can't see past the filth.

That clarinet was not stored well.  Weird, as Turlock is in the Central Valley, which would be a semi-arid desert save for the Central Valley [water] Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Valley_Project (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Valley_Project). 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 21, 2016, 08:34:43 AM
Yes, absolutely filthy.  Just look at those neglected keys.  Did you also catch that the serials don't match, either?  To further add insult to injury, it has a Noblet barrel.  If this guy can sell his horn for his asking price, I'm going to attempt to sell my 1959 McIntyre for $3,000.000.00...and retire.
 ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 21, 2016, 11:11:58 AM
There's always a seller that thinks a military designation is a free pass to a high price. I've seen this more often with trumpets and cornets;- and there are collectors that buy military instruments only, but generally due to specific known history of the instrument, not plausible rumors.

I have a good number of them myself, but I bid on these like I bid on any other instrument of the same make and model. History is only valuable to museums and historians. And that makes it valuable to me, but I don't think of history as something to be owned or sold at a profit. You find the history, then everyone has it regardless of who owns the artifact or becomes the temporary caretaker.

For instance I looked at the history of my USQMC (1922 and later) clarinet and bassoon, both by Bettoney and these plausibly were played at some very significant performances. These included presidential inaugurations, foreign diplomatic ceremonies, the dedication of the tomb of the unknown soldier, etc. These instruments were played when Sousa was conducting the Army band. When it comes to later designations, mostly US and USN, the history of a specific instrument is more difficult to trace and depends mostly on the owner's records or other inscriptions on the instrument.

If it was a USN instrument in use on air craft carriers, expect the springs and rods to be a corroded nightmare. I have one such USN clarinet that belonged to an officer and gentleman apparently named "Andrews" as this is stenciled on the case. I call it the Harry & Harry USN model. It has Bettoney joints with Pedler barrel and bell;- all with military markings. Practically every key rod was sawn through and many had been drilled out. These were replaced with rods that are too narrow to fit well and the keys wobble all over the place. The clarinet plays absolutely perfectly from top to bottom. For something with more hack repairs than I've seen on any dozen other clarinets, it's a beauty.  :) Well, in the eyes of this beholder, it is.

But the price was right;- $10 plus shipping, which was also quite low. Some of the sellers understand the kind of work it would take to put something right and just hope a good restoration tech will at least use the parts. I can fix this one, but what's the point? It's already a player and has some interesting history just like it is. I oiled the bore. It was dry as desert.

The PM Artist in question is particularly interesting regarding the price. True, it is two different serials, but fairly close together;- I'm not sure what effect the Noblet barrel would have, but it's not going to be as close a match as the Harry & Harry parts are. Those even look the same! A Noblet barrel marked US? That is curious. Perhaps this instrument was still in military use after Penzel Mueller was out of business and the Army bought some barrels from Noblet? That's an odd ball.

That said, the number of Penzel Mueller new listings has recently fallen drastically. There are very few showing up compared to a year ago. There is not an infinite supply of these and sooner or later the supply of PM clarinets will fall below demand. That could be temporary depending on the whims of collectors and players, but these are not like Conn or Pedler or H&A Selmer or even Bettoney as far as production numbers. PM just did not build nearly as many instruments. That seller is wise to start high and run long right now. They might get a $200 - $300 offer eventually or even higher. That is one of the silver plated key models also, but nothing else too special. What is on the keys is mostly the silver sulfide tarnish and that can be reversed pretty easily without removing any silver. It looks like the keys on my favorite 7-ring Pedler, which I did not polish or attempt to return to shiny silver. IMO these PM clarinets are as good as many clarinets with better reputations, and reputations are subject to amendments over time.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 21, 2016, 05:45:19 PM
Today was an interesting day on ebay. An humble 1952 Conn 444N sold for higher price than a 1974 Buffet Crampon R13. Both were in very good condition for restoration. I think the R13 would have brought more if it had not been listed as a ,buffet champion. I bid on one but not the other, didn't win. Neither one topped $200. Even with only a handful of bidders savvy to the R13, it went very low. The 444N hit about the average for the condition it was in.

It's an interesting comparison between the two that so many regard as radically different clarinets, and usually one so superior to the other. The 444N kept the same model name after undergoing radical revisions during the  late 1930s after Conn invented the Stroboscope or StroboConn, which allowed very precise visualization for frequency matching. Buffet didn't fix their clarinet until 1950, and it is doubtful whether they could have done so without Conn's invention.

As explained in that document that outlines the history of production methods at Buffet Crampon, before the Stroboconn, the fine tuning of pitch on musical instruments had to be done by comparison to the pitches of a standardized harmonium. No matter how good the ear, the process was limited by the stability and accuracy of the auditory pitch references. This was like using an old school guitar pitch pipe and then upgrading to an electronic tuner.

Of course Conn made good use of this stroboscope first because they invented it and immediately put it to work improving the 444N and all the other instruments in tuning. From what I know of these and even the 424N models, this was certainly effective as these are the most equal of the supposedly equal tempered clarinets I have played. Admittedly I have not played an R13, and today's auction didn't raise any new hopes for doing that soon.

In the Buffet history document, there is much attention given to crediting all the fine virtuosi who worked with Buffet doing the final testing and tuning of their clarinets. These were all great ears, names we all recognize as woodwind giants. As good as their ears were at Buffet-Crampon, at the end of the game the tool they used was the stroboconn, the precise visual tuning reference in use by C.G. Conn, Ltd. since 1936.

It's a pretty safe argument that after the stroboconn, one barely needed to be able to hear at all to check the tuning of an instrument. I'd love to get an R13 and put it side by side with a 444N with two good players and have them go up the chromatic scales and see what differences are observable (by ear or eye) in the intonation accuracy.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on August 21, 2016, 05:47:50 PM
Haven't seen one of these before.  A hard rubber Evette with a silver throat.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302048268387?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 21, 2016, 07:18:16 PM
I've never seen one of those either.  Many manufacturers made silver lined clarinets at one point or another.  Of course, Pruefer's Silver Throat is the one everyone remembers, though.  Penzel Mueller branded one too.  As a matter of fact, I missed a last minute bid on a silver lined top joint of a Henri Bouche, as I was preoccupied.  A darn shame, too, as it went for 5 bucks with an 8 dollar shipping charge. 
Now, who knows?  Perhaps all were made by the same manufacturer, or perhaps there were a couple of players in that game.
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 21, 2016, 07:57:29 PM
Here is a Martin Freres LaMonte silver lined clarinet ( it would be nice if there were some photos of the inside of the top joint, though.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LaMonte-Grenatex-Hard-Rubber-Silver-Throat-Clarinet-1940-1950-/131373656489?hash=item1e967ae9a9:g:tWUAAOSw0vBUhjQA

To my knowledge, I've never played a silver lined clarinet, but reports from several online sources mention that they are better as conversation pieces than as players. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 21, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
I own a Pruefer ST as well as a Linton.  I have a feeling they were all stencilled from the same maker, but I have yet to obtain conclusive evidence of this.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 23, 2016, 06:32:12 AM
(I couldn't find anyone particularly interested in Pruefers, so I'm posting here:)

This item jumped more than $130 by auction close:

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Pruefer-Single-Body-Wood-Clarinet-no-mouth-Piece-32322247.html (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Pruefer-Single-Body-Wood-Clarinet-no-mouth-Piece-32322247.html)

It's a full-Boehm unibody, about 23" long sans mouthpiece according to GW.  I'm wondering if that would indicate a HP instrument, given that it has a low Eb.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 23, 2016, 06:39:09 AM
And an odd conical metal "clarinet" with a backwards mouthpiece:

http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Vintage-Buffet-Crampon-Clarinet14949-32368415.html (http://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Vintage-Buffet-Crampon-Clarinet14949-32368415.html)

Pricey for a metal clarinet.  "Cheap" for a soprano sax, if it's salvageable. 

The engraving says it's really an Evette & Schaeffer.

More than a little rough.  Case damage indicates that it was stored in a damp basement and is probably better thrown away or cloned with new wood.  Oddly enough, it has white pads on it, which says "modern" to me.  Am I wrong about that?  No close-ups of the LH pinky keys.  RH pinky keys, together, are roughly circular.  Its surface metal is pitted/freckled.

Closed at $327 last night.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 23, 2016, 10:12:04 AM
Now here's a brand that it seems no-one has heard of before:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ORPHEUS-WOODEN-CLARINET/302047205744 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ORPHEUS-WOODEN-CLARINET/302047205744)

Undoubtedly a stencil.

$22, no bids, 2d19h to go.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 23, 2016, 10:53:37 AM
That Buffet is hurting;- if it's a Buffet. Stencil is plausible as well.

The Orpheus is one I've been seeing about 3 or 4 times around;- no bids, re-listed. You'd think a seller might wonder if better photos might get some attention. When you can't see what it is, you certainly have reservations. It's kind of like the recent mystery Italian "Concord Cadet" I took a chance on. It went through 4 cycles off reductions before I finally took the chance on it. Lucky good deal was the result but certainly no guarantees.

The Orpheus might be a great clarinet but you wouldn't know from the photos. Some photos are worth far less than a thousand words.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 23, 2016, 11:20:20 AM
When photos won't do (and really, they just won't, except to point out a mold-ridden instrument), origin and ownership help a lot.  "I don't know anything about clarinets" definitely keeps my bidding low.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 23, 2016, 12:20:08 PM
What is the information source that the Conn violin finished clarinets are cocobolo?  ???
I am forever skeptical;- please forgive me.

And well you should be.  As much as there's a problem with "tung oil", there's a real problem with wood species identification.  The trade name "cocobolo" itself is given to wood from multiple species of (closely-related) tree.  (Think "oak".  Consider the difference between red oak and white oak.)

What's interesting is that while official sources (e.g. WP) state that it's rare outside of parks, reserves, and plantations, my father said it was everywhere when he visited Costa Rica back in the nineties.  (I do see that the CITES listing was as of the late aughties.)

My wood-working instructor was always on the look-out for pallets from South America as he had found that they were often made of the stuff.  He told a tale of a fellow who imported straw hats that were crated in cocobolo on cocobolo pallets. 

Visual identification only gets us so far, but given an assembled instrument, it's mostly what we can go by.  Given the '50 to '54 advertising, I think that it's safe to assume that they were working with post-War stocks of materials.  Woodwinds didn't appear in Conn's '48 "Temporary Price list" but they did re-appear in '49: http://www.saxophone.org/museum/publications/id/493 (http://www.saxophone.org/museum/publications/id/493) (clarinets appear on page 6; click to embiggen any one page image)  The grenadilla was obviously reserved for Conn's more expensive instruments but not in sufficient quantities (how much ended up in the clutches of the Third Reich?) to supply Conn for their Pan-American line, hence the substitution. 

Grenadilla and Cocobolo are both Dalbergia, so trying a substitution is obvious.  You want something that hopefully starts out dimensionally-stable and stays that way, to reduce waste and cracking, respectively.

Similar physical properties with respect to shrinkage: http://www.wood-database.com/african-blackwood/ (http://www.wood-database.com/african-blackwood/) http://www.wood-database.com/cocobolo/ (http://www.wood-database.com/cocobolo/)

Cocobolo isn't quite as hard or dense as Grenadilla, but is otherwise quite similar.

Given the examples I've seen, there may very well be some laminated clarinets out there, but I would go with "rapid growth wood" for the ones with the wide striping.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 23, 2016, 02:02:53 PM
Andy, you are about to see a rather large chunk of what is generally accepted to be real cocobolo.  ;)  I've always thought it was a rather dark and reddish wood similar to other instrument grade rosewood species and palisander but with more open grain and color in the grain. We've all seen the boutique bells and barrels and the color variations are fairly wide, but to my eye don't look like the Pan American clarinets, which tend toward a more yellow color.

The pallet story is quite revealing of how the natives view those kind of woods;- plentiful and useful for utilitarian purposes. Brazil has gotten smart regarding violin bow wood and has started cultivating that coveted tree and severely limiting exports. The result is that many of the bow makers have moved to Brazil.

There was a story about the Cremona violin makers building basses from the crates the fine violin wood was shipped in (apparently down river from the Alps) because those were the biggest boards. Given the perception of plentitude of ancient forests, it is very plausible that tone wood was used for crates. Many of those old basses have top wood that is cut on the slab instead of quarter sawn, indicating that it was indeed more suited to use as a crate board. The story of the German luthier Hauser buying a tree from a woodsman who he encountered that was sawing up such trees for construction use is also familiar. All of Hauser's fine guitar tops and even the early ones built by his grandson came from a single tree, according to the story.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 23, 2016, 04:00:12 PM
  I'm wondering if that would indicate a HP instrument, given that it has a low Eb.
That's interesting.  I figured that HPs sort of went extinct by the time that they started using the Boehm system with the straight-up register key.  If the register key was a wraparound, it would probably be more likely. Weird measurements though.
  In any case, that's really not a bad price for a unibody full boehm!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 23, 2016, 08:36:37 PM
Now here's a brand that it seems no-one has heard of before:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ORPHEUS-WOODEN-CLARINET/302047205744 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ORPHEUS-WOODEN-CLARINET/302047205744)

Undoubtedly a stencil.

$22, no bids, 2d19h to go.

The Orpheus!  Indeed, this must be the clarinet the oracle talked about in the Matrix...
;)
Seriously, though, that price is almost worth it just to score that super cool case.
I love the cases from the late 40s through about 1964.

Have a gander at this crazy green one. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/282123259100?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Correspondence with the seller indicates no knowledge of the clainet,  and no maker's marks.  The top joint tenon has a nickle cap.  Noblet 45s had this feature, and there were several other manufacturers who implemented this feature, tho.
And just have a look at that super low price for such a find!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 24, 2016, 08:57:04 AM
Another alto clarinet which may or may not have the correct neck and only goes down to low E, currently one bid at $75.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BARBIER-PARIS-WOOD-ALTO-CLARINET-/172314202250?hash=item281eba108a:g:NX8AAOSwU-pXueGl (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BARBIER-PARIS-WOOD-ALTO-CLARINET-/172314202250?hash=item281eba108a:g:NX8AAOSwU-pXueGl)

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 24, 2016, 12:07:51 PM
I kind of like the look of the open hole altos, like that Barbier. I have no idea how these play compared to those with the typical plateau arrangement. The pay-off is in an easier instrument to set up and regulate.

It also has that dated manual register mech I'm getting used to on my bass. Looking at the neck and bell;- if not original they look the same vintage at least and the sockets match pretty close. What I can see of the pads looks like old brown leather. My guess is about half or more still seal well. It won't stay at $75. That's pretty much a given on that auction regardless of the lack of low notes. I don't know how serious the lack of low notes is. I think people make a lot of having the latest bells and whistles and if it plays well and in tune, that is probably more important in getting some good music out of it than have a an additional half step at the bottom.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 24, 2016, 04:27:53 PM
My metal Kohlert alto doesn't have the Eb, but I don't think I've ever really needed it.  Well, I play on bari sax music anyways so it wouldn't matter :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 25, 2016, 11:02:35 PM
I'm thoroughly impressed by the fact that they even detailed the Eb bis key and the third ring!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinet-Buffet-Paper-Weight-/222229731480?hash=item33bdec9898:g:dd8AAOSwawpXvzq0
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 26, 2016, 10:41:54 AM
Apparently there are a handful of enthusiasts that don't mind a few missing low notes, open holes, and manual double register keys.

The Barbier alto Andy mentioned is up to $177.50 going into the weekend. Name recognition, association with Selmer;- and it's in good condition. Someone will get a nice vintage alto, but this time it's not going to be me.

Being a neophyte to the bass, and still a bit undecided on my soprano preferences, I am still hesitant about which alto I would prefer. I have pretty large hands so open holes is not likely to be a problem. I do love the feel of the plateau keyed 3-star and my mystery bass. Brass players, particularly trumpet players sometimes develop a preference for playing with parade gloves. I like them for trumpet because my fingers don't hang up or get sticky on the buttons and I can move faster with the gloves and the silver plating is protected from my salty skin chemistry. Woodwind players are probably less inclined to parade gloves.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on August 26, 2016, 09:19:21 PM
Way over my head.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unusual-Prototype-Experimental-Basset-Clarinet-Extended-Low-C-For-Parts-As-Is-/282150988568?hash=item41b1826b18:g:ag0AAOSwMtxXwL-K
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 26, 2016, 09:28:31 PM
Way over my head.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unusual-Prototype-Experimental-Basset-Clarinet-Extended-Low-C-For-Parts-As-Is-/282150988568?hash=item41b1826b18:g:ag0AAOSwMtxXwL-K
Funky.  Who wants to go to a bidding war?  I'll bring my trebuchet!  (in other words, I REALLY WANT IT)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 26, 2016, 09:40:03 PM
Mechanic, Dave,
Simply fantastic.
Now put that thing away, or it'll quickly be out of my league.
 ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 27, 2016, 12:25:50 PM
OOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 27, 2016, 12:51:32 PM
Shhh!
(Aah, fer the love of quiche, delete that link already, or none of us are getting it)
 :'(
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 27, 2016, 02:17:29 PM
What an ominous bid...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 27, 2016, 04:07:19 PM
It's just a number.  It also seems to deter more bidders. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 28, 2016, 09:12:54 AM
One of the two of you should have it.  If you're not going to bid on it, though, please do let me know.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 28, 2016, 10:00:59 AM
What's the first rule of Clarinet club?  And the second?
 ;D

I've already liquidated my life savings, including my 401K, 403B, and my LMNOP account, and am ready to go all in or bust.  I'M TALKING 6 FIGURES!  Who needs that 1957 Corvette I was saving for? 
 ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 28, 2016, 10:18:13 AM
One of the two of you should have it.  If you're not going to bid on it, though, please do let me know.
I'm sure whatever your max bid is, is higher than mine... I'll let you know as it gets closer whether or not I'm bailing out of the battle :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 28, 2016, 12:52:50 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222230218457?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2661

 ???
 ???

Just what IS this?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on August 28, 2016, 01:06:29 PM
One of the two of you should have it.  If you're not going to bid on it, though, please do let me know.
I'm sure whatever your max bid is, is higher than mine... I'll let you know as it gets closer whether or not I'm bailing out of the battle :)

Failing you or Mechanic wanting it,  I'll pick it up, otherwise, I've already entered my max bid and it's under the current price.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on August 28, 2016, 04:23:54 PM
One of the two of you should have it.  If you're not going to bid on it, though, please do let me know.
I'm sure whatever your max bid is, is higher than mine... I'll let you know as it gets closer whether or not I'm bailing out of the battle :)

Failing you or Mechanic wanting it,  I'll pick it up, otherwise, I've already entered my max bid and it's under the current price.

I'm not in this one.  I saw it, wasn't sure what I was looking at, and just had to put it out there.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 28, 2016, 06:58:28 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222230218457?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2661

 ???
 ???

Just what IS this?
Absolutely beautiful, is what THAT is, and the lowest serial number I've ever seen on a Selmer.  Is that L38 (1931) or 138 (1927)?
Rare as a hen's tooth, in any event, and although a bit high to kick off an auction, worth every penny.
A 2 ring Bb?  Don't know the last time I saw one.  Why Selmer would be making such a primitive clarinet that late is beyond me.
It's also VERY moldy.  Just look in that bell (yuck).  It's also in a super cheap, poorly made Boosey and Hawkes case from 1951-1953.  (Ask me how I know with such certainty)
 8)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 28, 2016, 07:06:17 PM
Failing you or Mechanic wanting it,  I'll pick it up, otherwise, I've already entered my max bid and it's under the current price.
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Go get it, Andy.  I'll stay out of it.  As much as I'd love it, I just blew my monthly allowance on an Alto Sax; the likes of which I've been hunting down for 16 years, now, actively, and 29 years since I was swindled out of it (I'll know for certain just how great or poor a choice I've made once it arrives, but for now, I'm stoked.)
If you get it cheap, I'll kick my own keister around the block for days, but I reckon you'll have a fight on your hands with that one.
Best of luck.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 28, 2016, 08:07:25 PM
As for that Selmer, I'm not really buying the logo style.  Instruments of that vintage typically had either no logo or a fancy one.  In any case, the only time I've ever seen such a simplistic logo is on a backyard-stencilled "Barclay" with block letters.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 28, 2016, 08:10:48 PM
I've seen that Selmer logo before.  It is quite simple, and may not be original to that clarinet, however.  80-90 years gives several potential past owners plenty of time to meddle.  Curious, indeed.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 31, 2016, 03:00:34 PM
I can barely even tell what's going on with the keys on this one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Albert-System-Clarinet-Unidentified-READ-DESCRIPTION-/391532703454?hash=item5b292aeede:g:h0AAAOSwV0RXsMcl

Dave,
That's the most sophisticated Albert I have ever seen.  I'd very much like to know who made it.
It's certainly old, but not too old (1920-1940s?), and I'll hazard a guess that it's a B&H.  They were one of the few Western manufacturers still making Alberts after it was no longer "cool", and the joints flare out like all B&Hs.  I know there were other manufacturers who flared their joints, but none so pronounced as Boosey.
As for the lack of the barrel and bell, I'm sure Backun could have this "little dandy" outfitted with one phone call.

Well I won it.  $63 for a neato Albert.  I don't feel like dropping G's on Backun's stuff, but luckily I got some random barrels and bells that may fit :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 01, 2016, 05:07:25 AM
That's a German system, very recent key work, well, last 30-40 years at least. These get a fairly standard bell, but an unusually short barrel;- 57 or 59mm. They also play best with a German mouthpiece and reed.

What you have is very much (one ring different) like my Mollenhauer German system that I am still needing a barrel for. A was able to get the barrel dimension from a seller that had an identical one for sale that I didn't bid on. I'm glad you got that one, Dave. I intended to bid on it but forgot all about it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 02, 2016, 06:54:41 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Selmer-Rosewood-Contra-Alto-Clarinet-/131927050421?hash=item1eb77708b5:g:IZUAAOSw9IpXybrU

Who wants to play?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on September 02, 2016, 07:04:50 PM
Does that go to Eb?  If so, I've been playing its brother for the past year.  He'll eventually need to go home. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 02, 2016, 07:47:42 PM
One of the two of you should have it.  If you're not going to bid on it, though, please do let me know.
I'm sure whatever your max bid is, is higher than mine... I'll let you know as it gets closer whether or not I'm bailing out of the battle :)

$204.77...I'd have been a potential bidder if I thought this would cap out so low. 
What killed it for the seller was instilling just enough doubt in the minds of those watching as to the potential playability, that a lot of folks backed off.
I sure hope one of you ladies or gents snagged it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 02, 2016, 08:57:05 PM
I totally missed out on it.  I was busy doing something stupid and by the time I remembered, auction was over.  DANG!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 02, 2016, 10:38:13 PM
Not to worry, Dave.
Here is just the woodwind you've been waiting for.
so unique is it, that it covers several bases at once!
And for this price, the seller will have people lined up around the block for days, just hoping for a better glance.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUNDY-CLARINET-FLUTE-/302046140408?hash=item46535a57f8:g:qy0AAOSwa-dWqoBB



Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 02, 2016, 10:54:58 PM
Not to worry, Dave.
Here is just the woodwind you've been waiting for.
so unique is it, that it covers several bases at once!
And for this price, the seller will have people lined up around the block for days, just hoping for a better glance.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUNDY-CLARINET-FLUTE-/302046140408?hash=item46535a57f8:g:qy0AAOSwa-dWqoBB
Ah yes, the elusive Bundy Boosey Flute...  I NEED IT
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 08, 2016, 02:20:32 AM
Somebody may appreciate this mp:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Otto-Link-Florida-No-6-Slant-Sig-Hard-Rubber-Bb-Clarinet-Mouthpiece-/152234106189?hash=item2371dc1d4d:g:odEAAOSwGtRX0SUV
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 18, 2016, 06:32:26 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wurlitzer-Bass-Clarinet-Untested-may-need-servicing-/222253248738?hash=item33bf5370e2:g:cGUAAOSw8w1X3aEV

Somebody might want this for the neat engraved bell
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 18, 2016, 06:56:48 PM
Oh boy...not a quick flip, there...
But I do love the engraving.  Very 1920s.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 18, 2016, 07:40:19 PM
I was all in until I saw the broken key and backed out faster than a carjacker from a parking spot
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on September 19, 2016, 07:24:22 AM
Quote
I do not know much about clarinets (I played saxophone) So Im not sure if or what this instrument needs besides a mouth piece.

Oh, I think he knows more than that.  The photos he took of the broken off (missing?) guard over the bell is kind of a broad hint.  I didn't see a close-up of where the L3 keywork should be attached, but I'm sure he saw that.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 29, 2016, 09:19:26 PM
This is truly something you do not see every day.  :o

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antique-Bass-clarinet-EJ-Albert-Brussels-London-/191974603605?hash=item2cb293fb55:g:B6YAAOSwLnBX66Fi

One for the real collectors.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 30, 2016, 11:00:45 AM
Oi, I ain't THAT real of a collector...

I do have an albert bass but its just a normal one.  Certainly nothing that funky!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 30, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
Nor I, but I did collect the photos. Pretty good photos of how that all works. That neck is one twisted mess with the register key like that. That has to be a fun one to regulate.  ;)

It looks like really nice wood and near perfect condition. Given what some of the recent more typical basses are priced at, the price is not so bad, although I am inclined to be quite happy with my Harry Pedler bass.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 01, 2016, 02:20:37 PM
That neck is one twisted mess with the register key like that. That has to be a fun one to regulate.  ;

I was thinking the same thing, but also thinking how easy such manufacturing would be nowadays, and how difficult it must have been when this one was made.  Truly a labor of love, there.

6000 quid is a lot of scratch, and, of course, it might not be nearly as valuable as the "asking" price, as we've not played it. It's pretty, but perhaps it plays like a dog.

My best clarinets are the ones I've paid the least for.  It doesn't always work out that way, but with exception to my Noblet 45, my top 5 were all purchased for less than $75.00, and my absolute best player I picked up for $15.00, with an additional $9.85 in shipping, and I haven't even repadded or corked it. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on October 01, 2016, 04:39:24 PM
That Harry Pedler unmarked but serialized BBb of mine is a deal I might never beat. The tone is just to die for. The more I play it, the closer it comes to being my pet favorite.

Of course I have a couple of really good soprano players that I paid less than $15 for. It's far more difficult to get a deal like that on a BBb or other more unique instruments. My C LPs both were $50 or under and both needed overhauls. The Harry mostly needed adjusting and regulating. I was able to keep all the pads that were on it and just replace a couple that were missing. Since it was the first thing I had worked on with all plateaus, it was a challenge to get it all synchronized but once done, what a nice sound. There is no hint of harsh, just smooth like a deep river. My total investment in it with all accessories is well under $300, plus a lot of time getting to know the mechanism.

This Albert is one of those to keep an eye on to see what it might finally sell for. One gets the idea looking at it that the maker just wanted to do something very unique as a one-off. I doubt there are two identical like that. Of course there could be dozens, or might have been dozens. It's old enough to be a sole survivor.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 01, 2016, 06:51:28 PM
Back in those days when they were still trying to figure things out, I'll bet every 5th bass built was a one-off.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 04, 2016, 04:05:49 PM
I do not typically post live auctions, but this one is well beyond the price I pay for clarinets in need of service, and it's rare enough, that it deserves attention.  It will sell for whatever the masses are willing to pay, I'm sure.
First off, I was not aware that Whaley Royce outsourced anything.  Second, the length of this clarinet has me thinking that it's in the key of low F.  It's posted as a Bb, and it may be, since it has 7 rings, and additional keys.  Add the length of the barrel, bell and MP, and we're looking at a clarinet over 30" long.  It's far too long to be in the key of A.
Any ideas?  Perhaps some form of a Basset? 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-1920s-Buffet-Crampon-One-Piece-Bb-Long-Wood-Clarinet-NORESERVE/391577751582?_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140131123730%26meid%3Dcef51ed5e49f46ebbe822dd392dbfa90%26pid%3D100167%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D302089727634
       
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on October 04, 2016, 04:56:31 PM
Wow, that is rare . . . and cool.  Yet another item added to the watch list for "market research" purposes.

Thanks for posting Windsong.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on October 04, 2016, 05:10:54 PM
I think it is an A.  I have a 2 piece with similiar keywork that is marked LP A and measures 21" end of tenon to end of tenon.  Other than a serial number, there are no other markings on mine.  It's also unplayable right now, missing pads and cork and on the list of things to do, a list that grows faster than I can mark things off.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 04, 2016, 07:10:34 PM
Interesting.  A little research indicates that a Bassett clarinet is typically in the key of A, and 4 semitones below a Bb, instead of just one semitone below a Bb which describes the typical A.
Perhaps this, like yours, is a Bassett?

Airflyte--yes, this is a most unusual clarinet, and the price it has escalated to, so soon from just .99, is abundant and irrefutible proof that these don't come around often.  No doubt the entire clarinet world is watching this auction like hawks on prey.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 04, 2016, 08:14:57 PM
The easiest way to tell if something is a basset or not is to see what the lowest note is.  A basset clarinet is extended to low C.

This is extended to low Eb, which explains the extra length, so it's a FB and not a basset.

This is getting way more than I'd pay.  I bought my Buffet plateau Full Boehm A for all of $202.50.

It is a neat instrument, but not neat enough to warrant the $500 it's probably going to get up to.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on October 05, 2016, 04:09:39 AM
My unibody Buffet (in Bb, not A, sadly, but does quite well, intonation-wise) is just about 20" from tenon tip to tenon tip.  (It's a full Boehm, BTW)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 05, 2016, 08:41:00 PM
Okay.  That makes sense.  We're looking at, as Mechanic mentioned and you all have graciously echoed or eluded to, a full Boehm A clarinet down to Fb.
That's pretty special, and actually a really handy range.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 07, 2016, 09:23:18 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wood-Flute-and-Clarinet-Parts-vintage-brass-decorator-Lot-100711-/302096224064?hash=item4656568f40:g:dUMAAOSwLF1X89d4

In case any of you need boxwood parts...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 07, 2016, 09:26:00 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/clarinet-set-Chinese-for-spare-repair-/142141276720?hash=item211847c230:g:kOEAAOSwPCVX93nt

The top one sure as heck ain't Chinese!  Looks to me like a 1840s or so thing.  I kind of want it but then I really dont need any more.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 08, 2016, 07:53:46 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wood-Flute-and-Clarinet-Parts-vintage-brass-decorator-Lot-100711-/302096224064?hash=item4656568f40:g:dUMAAOSwLF1X89d4

In case any of you need boxwood parts...

Boy oh boy...
Those poor joints have been picked clean by the buzzards.  WWII war effort, perhaps?  I don't get why all the keys would be gone, otherwise.  They'd be nigh worthless to just about anyone who did not have those exact clarinets, as very little was standard in 1825-1840.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 09, 2016, 01:10:26 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/clarinet-set-Chinese-for-spare-repair-/142141276720?hash=item211847c230:g:kOEAAOSwPCVX93nt

The top one sure as heck ain't Chinese!  Looks to me like a 1840s or so thing.  I kind of want it but then I really dont need any more.
Neither of those are Chinese.  The top one is a Müller and the other, an Albert.  Both look very old, and well cared for.
How the seller arrived at the notion thay they were Chinese is baffling.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 09, 2016, 01:12:36 PM
Wow, that is rare . . . and cool.  Yet another item added to the watch list for "market research" purposes.

Thanks for posting Windsong.

$686.00.
That's some pretty good scratch, right there.  More than one person REALLY wanted it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 09, 2016, 02:50:56 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/clarinet-set-Chinese-for-spare-repair-/142141276720?hash=item211847c230:g:kOEAAOSwPCVX93nt

The top one sure as heck ain't Chinese!  Looks to me like a 1840s or so thing.  I kind of want it but then I really dont need any more.
Neither of those are Chinese.  The top one is a Müller and the other, an Albert.  Both look very old, and well cared for.
How the seller arrived at the notion thay they were Chinese is baffling.

The one on the bottom actually appears to be Indian-made.  The distinctive red leather pads and plastic construction remind me of a cheapo indian albert I had at one point.

Here's a similar one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB-KEYS-black-colored-CLARINET-STUDENTS-PRO-13-KEYS-EBONITE-BODY-HARD-CASE-/112030503195?hash=item1a1589d11b:g:gt0AAOSw3YNXY-o3
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 09, 2016, 02:51:55 PM
Wow, that is rare . . . and cool.  Yet another item added to the watch list for "market research" purposes.

Thanks for posting Windsong.

$686.00.
That's some pretty good scratch, right there.  More than one person REALLY wanted it.
Looks like I lucked out with my FB A for $202...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 09, 2016, 04:55:17 PM

The one on the bottom actually appears to be Indian-made.  The distinctive red leather pads and plastic construction remind me of a cheapo indian albert I had at one point.

Here's a similar one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BB-KEYS-black-colored-CLARINET-STUDENTS-PRO-13-KEYS-EBONITE-BODY-HARD-CASE-/112030503195?hash=item1a1589d11b:g:gt0AAOSw3YNXY-o3

Krikey!
Well, India has been making the Royal Enfield since 1951, or so, and it's no less reliable than the English version, so while the price is ridiculous, perhaps it actually plays, and moreover, in tune.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 09, 2016, 05:02:28 PM

Looks like I lucked out with my FB A for $202...
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I think you did.
If you were thinking of selling it, you might want to ride this seller's wake.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 09, 2016, 09:41:57 PM

Looks like I lucked out with my FB A for $202...
I think you did.
If you were thinking of selling it, you might want to ride this seller's wake.
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Not a bad idea, actually.  I have literally no use for it, after all...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on October 20, 2016, 08:27:59 AM
A bit pricey, but way pretty: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extraordinary-ERIC-PETTERSON-Albert-System-Rosewood-Bass-Clarinet-low-D-1950s-/232112615962?hash=item360afd721a:g:d3sAAOSwZJBX~0nK
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 20, 2016, 09:11:06 AM
But who's going to need an Albert bass...  but that is seriously pretty!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on October 20, 2016, 04:15:34 PM
A bit pricey, but way pretty: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extraordinary-ERIC-PETTERSON-Albert-System-Rosewood-Bass-Clarinet-low-D-1950s-/232112615962?hash=item360afd721a:g:d3sAAOSwZJBX~0nK

Wow, that is a beautiful clarinet!



-Dave- the simple system could be considered superior to current systems but that's a matter of perception  ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 20, 2016, 05:31:35 PM
True, although in terms of resale capability I would think your average pro player would gravitate towards a big brand boehm, instead of taking a risk on something different.  Although I would imagine it would be worth every cent to a skilled player who knew how to use it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on October 21, 2016, 05:53:22 PM
A bit pricey, but way pretty: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Extraordinary-ERIC-PETTERSON-Albert-System-Rosewood-Bass-Clarinet-low-D-1950s-/232112615962?hash=item360afd721a:g:d3sAAOSwZJBX~0nK
. Oh Wow, gorgeous!  But...hey, probably not worth that kind of $$$, at least outside of Sweden, where Petterson isn't well known. Also, my EP soprano is a fun, wonderfully free blowing and special instrument, but for whatever reason, I can't play it anywhere near modern intonation standards, not even close.  Let's hope this one really has good intonation as they claim...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 22, 2016, 08:10:27 PM
Here's a Buffet.

oh wait...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Buffet-/302114415510?hash=item46576c2396:g:E2kAAOSwV0RXuh2i
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on October 23, 2016, 05:57:36 AM
Here's a Buffet.

oh wait...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Buffet-/302114415510?hash=item46576c2396:g:E2kAAOSwV0RXuh2i

 . . . . with very nice gilding  ;D
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on October 23, 2016, 04:38:23 PM
That bass is one beautiful instrument.  And yeah, I'd like the D.  But then I'd also want a C# and a C to go with it.

Meanwhile, if I had the dosh, I'd grab an A to go with my C. Meinel full-Böhm Bb, and finally have a decent case for it as well:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clemens-Meinel-Full-Boehm-Clarinet-in-A-/371769960481?hash=item568f376821:g:vOQAAOSwXeJYC5E7 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clemens-Meinel-Full-Boehm-Clarinet-in-A-/371769960481?hash=item568f376821:g:vOQAAOSwXeJYC5E7)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on November 14, 2016, 04:38:28 PM
"This will also need all new corks before it could be used, we had a hard time getting it completely together due to this."
See assembled photo (good grief; it'll probably need new tenons and socket crack repair, now, too.)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Woodwind-Instrument-Selmer-F-Barbier-Paris-Wooden-Clarinet-w-Case-yqz/332025771853?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D39107%26meid%3D4ec2dfbfd6104648881cb2de59d93dc0%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222307946231
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on December 01, 2016, 07:01:23 AM
Here's a full boehm on Chicago Craigslist. 
http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/msg/5875871233.html

It's been out there a couple of weeks so they may be willing to cut a deal and ship  it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 01, 2016, 07:39:02 AM
Seller would greatly benefit from more pictures...

But hey what's with the metal portion on the top?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on December 01, 2016, 08:12:05 AM
Seller would greatly benefit from more pictures...

But hey what's with the metal portion on the top?

Looks like a repaired crack Dave.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 01, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
Seller would greatly benefit from more pictures...

But hey what's with the metal portion on the top?

Looks like a repaired crack Dave.
Of course. I'm out of practice :P
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 03, 2016, 01:59:46 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/361838586546?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Nice;  PM in the key of C, and Boehm, at that.
I figured this fish would attract a lot of hooks in the water, and was surprised that it did not.  I was also a little surprised by the final sales price, but it IS a PM, afterall, and a rather uncommon, early model, at that. 
For a player, I think I'll hold out for an Amati 351 C.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on December 04, 2016, 03:08:02 PM
There was an old Adler Boehm C that snuck through for less than $50 recently....not sure how to link from my eBay app?  Looked dry, barrel cracked, but otherwise salvageable...  I already have a bunch of junky old Cs that need work, so I decided I better start on them.

Ok,here we go: http://m.ebay.com/itm/142182353816

Hopefully you will be redirected if not on a mobile device....
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 04, 2016, 08:49:10 PM
There was an old Adler Boehm C that snuck through for less than $50 recently....not sure how to link from my eBay app?  Looked dry, barrel cracked, but otherwise salvageable...  I already have a bunch of junky old Cs that need work, so I decided I better start on them.

Ok,here we go: http://m.ebay.com/itm/142182353816

Hopefully you will be redirected if not on a mobile device....
Oh man, it's times like this that I wish I still watched ebay for clarinets...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on December 09, 2016, 07:55:29 PM
If this one had a barrel, I would most likely go for it. I like the funky keywork .

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122255715993?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/122255715993?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

When I saw 'Tula' and USSR, I immediately thought of the Russian Mosin Nagant WWII infantry rifle.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 09, 2016, 10:03:50 PM
Soviet clarinets of the Cold War era are reportedly some of the most erascible beasts on the planet.  They are often cobbled together with inferior materials, and I've never heard anyone say they play well.  The keywork is indeed unusual, as it is almost an Ohler (modern German) clarinet with the rollers and the trills, but is is, entirely, its own, eh?  Curious..
Title: Anyone care to take a swing at what this was?
Post by: Windsong on December 13, 2016, 06:33:15 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222337983203?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: Anyone care to take a swing at what this was?
Post by: Airflyte on December 13, 2016, 07:05:02 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/222337983203?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I saw that one and "watched" it. I guess the price was right? Was key is it in?

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 13, 2016, 07:50:10 PM
Pretty neat key system.  Looks like an Eefer.  Great price, though not sure about usefulness...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 14, 2016, 02:26:29 AM
Based upon length without barrel, I deduce that it must have been in the key of C--a key I'm quite fond of.
The keywork is not purely Ohler, and that's why I took special interest.  I fruitlessly searched the one inscription the seller posted, and can only assume that this is what we would now consider a transitional German system.  I'd genuinely like to know more, and perhaps we'll be fortunate enough to have the right person see this thread, and explain it to us.
After all, more than half of derived satisfation from collecting is about learning, and catalogueing that information--not just for me, but for a lot of you as well.
Very unusual, indeed.
Title: This ought to make you sick...unless you won it.
Post by: Windsong on December 14, 2016, 03:01:40 PM
I threw in a couple of low bids, but work ran late today, and I was unable to make it home in time to place a high bid well over what it sold for.
Somebody will be very happy with this gem.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-C-L-Penzel-New-York-Bb-LP-Wood-Clarinet-/142204693297?&autorefresh=true
Title: Re: This ought to make you sick...unless you won it.
Post by: Airflyte on December 14, 2016, 06:48:31 PM
I threw in a couple of low bids, but work ran late today, and I was unable to make it home in time to place a high bid well over what it sold for.
Somebody will be very happy with this gem.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-C-L-Penzel-New-York-Bb-LP-Wood-Clarinet-/142204693297?&autorefresh=true

Man, that was cheap as chips - was the oversize ring for tuning purposes?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 14, 2016, 06:58:57 PM
Wow, I really should watch clarinet auctions more often.

That's that weird donut ring most often seen in 1920s Buffets.  I have a unibody plateau A with the donut as well as a Bb M. Lacroix with it.

From what I understand, it had something to do with tuning purposes but was not good enough at what it did to warrant continued use.
Title: A very unusual clarinet here!
Post by: Windsong on December 16, 2016, 06:05:17 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/leblanc-clarinet-117/172441968305?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D2fe7d1a0a36649afb174f86e1706588c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D371811864822
Title: Re: A very unusual clarinet here!
Post by: mechanic on December 16, 2016, 06:36:10 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/leblanc-clarinet-117/172441968305?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D2fe7d1a0a36649afb174f86e1706588c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D371811864822

Trying to find a replacement bell for it should prove interesting.
Title: Re: A very unusual clarinet here!
Post by: Airflyte on December 16, 2016, 07:19:16 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/leblanc-clarinet-117/172441968305?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D2fe7d1a0a36649afb174f86e1706588c%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D371811864822

I would be cautious with that one, it could be in high pitch tuning.
Title: Re: This ought to make you sick...unless you won it.
Post by: modernicus on December 16, 2016, 11:38:16 AM
I threw in a couple of low bids, but work ran late today, and I was unable to make it home in time to place a high bid well over what it sold for.
Somebody will be very happy with this gem.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-C-L-Penzel-New-York-Bb-LP-Wood-Clarinet-/142204693297?&autorefresh=true
. You should use an auction sniper.  That's a good price, and as long as one is going for a clarinet this old, might as well go for some unique features that aren't made anymore!  I have a now identified Berteling like this (minus roller keys)and with some recent work to iron out some key opening heights, it has really come alive.  The doughnut key is handy for some unusual trills/alternate fingerings.  It only takes a couple of minutes to get used to.

I put a token bid on this Jan Williams and only lost by $1.00- I should have been a little more aggressive!

http://m.ebay.com/itm/351925688859


Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 16, 2016, 05:25:19 PM
  ;D

Title: Re: This ought to make you sick...unless you won it.
Post by: Windsong on December 16, 2016, 05:30:13 PM
I should have just placed a bid as high as I was willing to go, but I do typically manually poach auctions in the last minute.  It wasn't a must-have item for me, and I don't even know if the original Penzels were all that great, before joining forces with Mueller.  Still, a great looking piece.


I threw in a couple of low bids, but work ran late today, and I was unable to make it home in time to place a high bid well over what it sold for.
Somebody will be very happy with this gem.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-C-L-Penzel-New-York-Bb-LP-Wood-Clarinet-/142204693297?&autorefresh=true
. You should use an auction sniper.  That's a good price, and as long as one is going for a clarinet this old, might as well go for some unique features that aren't made anymore!  I have a now identified Berteling like this (minus roller keys)and with some recent work to iron out some key opening heights, it has really come alive.  The doughnut key is handy for some unusual trills/alternate fingerings.  It only takes a couple of minutes to get used to.

I put a token bid on this Jan Williams and only lost by $1.00- I should have been a little more aggressive!

http://m.ebay.com/itm/351925688859
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 19, 2016, 08:29:20 PM
Not a clarinet, but.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FINE-QUALITY-ANTIQUE-OBOE-by-J-Sharpe-1800s-flute-clarinet-vintage-/371818014179?hash=item569214a5e3:g:mmwAAOSwUsJYVuvU

Very neat key system.  I've never seen that style lower-joint right hand pinky keys
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 19, 2016, 09:07:21 PM
That's a beauty, Dave, and if it sits near that price, is probably a steal.  I doubt it will, though, and still surpasses what I've ever paid for a woodwind.
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 19, 2016, 10:30:14 PM
If I was an oboe collector I'd be ALL over it - as an historical artifact, if nothing else.  I'd expect it to sell around $300, mainly because of the famous question of "what the heck are you going to do with it"!  I don't think the guys at the local symphony would be too impressed if their main tuner guy shows up with a 200-year old axe :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 20, 2016, 03:58:18 AM
Well, actually, they might be super impressed if he showed up with it in tune!
 ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on December 25, 2016, 07:21:52 AM
I believe that is a "Boehm system" oboe, I don't think it ever took off.  Oboes are worth a lot more than clarinets in general, of course, so this could still fetch a decent amount.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: bbrandha on December 26, 2016, 04:21:53 PM
Your find the mistakes ad for the day!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Selmer-Vintage-1920s-Professional-Manhattan-Clarinet-/152363107920?hash=item23798c8650:g:bO8AAOSwa~BYQ3Vb
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 26, 2016, 06:28:45 PM
Your find the mistakes add for the day!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Selmer-Vintage-1920s-Professional-Manhattan-Clarinet-/152363107920?hash=item23798c8650:g:bO8AAOSwa~BYQ3Vb
At that price would it be too much to ask for a polish?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on December 26, 2016, 07:53:43 PM
They need to move that decimal point over to the left a few places...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 26, 2016, 08:42:58 PM
That's a lot of chicken scratch for an admittedly nice, well preserved, uncommon early model unimproved Boehm made by a reputable manufacturer.
I'd say for ( and to) a collector, it should easily garner $375.00, but no more in today's economy. 
But...for a first run across the scales, throw out a large hook, and see who nibbles...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on December 26, 2016, 08:58:03 PM
I guess my questions would be: When did Selmer make clarinets in Germany?  Have I been advertising what I thought were Boehm clarinets wrong?  Is that why I can't get $2000. + for them?

Item specifics
Condition:   Used :
Seller Notes:   “Great working order. needs polish.”
Brand: Selmer
Body Material:   Wood
Design:   Öhler/German System   
Skill Level:   Professional
Country/Region of Manufacture:   Germany
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 26, 2016, 09:11:16 PM
Well it absolutely is not Oehler system.  It's a plain Jane normal, non fancy Boehm.

Back when ClarinetPerfection.com was still up, it had some great info on the Manhattan model.  But I don't remember the specifics.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: KSCop on December 29, 2016, 04:21:38 PM
As far as good stuff on Ebay..

There are two Selmer Signet 100's (overhauled) as well as a Penzel Mueller Empire State (Overhauled)

I'm just sayin..
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 03, 2017, 05:09:21 PM
Here is an EXTREMELY rare, 1920s Martin stencil alto with an OCTOBER KEY!  Too bad it's broken.  I have only ever heard rumours of their existence, and now, we only get to see what half of one looks like.  I wonder if an octave key could be substituted in its place?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-alto-saxophone-stencil-for-perfactone-raw-brass-circa-20-s-needs-repair/152371042428?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D6196d6561c4d4bcaa9e01e0b27e4f7dc%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201749022166
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 03, 2017, 05:21:22 PM
Here is an EXTREMELY rare, 1920s Martin stencil alto with an OCTOBER KEY!  Too bad it's broken.  I have only ever heard rumours of their existence, and now, we only get to see what half of one looks like.  I wonder if an octave key could be substituted in its place?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-alto-saxophone-stencil-for-perfactone-raw-brass-circa-20-s-needs-repair/152371042428?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D6196d6561c4d4bcaa9e01e0b27e4f7dc%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201749022166
What's an October key?  I've never heard of it and can't seem to find anything on google...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on January 03, 2017, 09:03:48 PM
Here is an EXTREMELY rare, 1920s Martin stencil alto with an OCTOBER KEY!  Too bad it's broken.  I have only ever heard rumours of their existence, and now, we only get to see what half of one looks like.  I wonder if an octave key could be substituted in its place?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-alto-saxophone-stencil-for-perfactone-raw-brass-circa-20-s-needs-repair/152371042428?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D38530%26meid%3D6196d6561c4d4bcaa9e01e0b27e4f7dc%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201749022166

Ah, the mythical October Key or just another victim of technology that believes if Microsoft thinks that's what I'm typing they must be right.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on January 04, 2017, 04:38:09 PM
Your find the mistakes ad for the day!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Selmer-Vintage-1920s-Professional-Manhattan-Clarinet-/152363107920?hash=item23798c8650:g:bO8AAOSwa~BYQ3Vb

This one was relisted (surprised?). Check the sellers feedback. I don't think I'd chance it even if it was free.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 08, 2017, 07:00:05 PM
Crikey!  That's some terrible feedback.  I suppose if the seller died, whilst attempting to send the wares off, it might be explainable, but as the item has been re-listed, I guess that notion is out the window.
May as well just close that account, as it'll take several hundred sales to get out of the red, there.
Title: How is an instrument abused this badly, and not condemned to a parts horn?
Post by: Windsong on January 08, 2017, 07:34:41 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1968-Buescher-Model-400-Bari-Sax-Baritone-Saxophone-NORESERVE/222367289828?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40807%26meid%3D2f0c15070a07428fb422e5574be2cab6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D332079469486
Title: Re: How is an instrument abused this badly, and not condemned to a parts horn?
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 08, 2017, 07:42:04 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1968-Buescher-Model-400-Bari-Sax-Baritone-Saxophone-NORESERVE/222367289828?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40807%26meid%3D2f0c15070a07428fb422e5574be2cab6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D332079469486
i aint never messing with saxes again...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 09, 2017, 12:17:58 PM
Someone might want this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/361869924048?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

It's out of my budget already
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 09, 2017, 12:22:29 PM
That is certainly curious.  I have never seen a metal oboe.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 09, 2017, 02:20:09 PM
That is certainly curious.  I have never seen a metal oboe.
The only ones I've seen before were made by Kohlert (also well known for making metal alto and bass clarinets).  I would bet that this is a Kohlert stencil, as I don't think any other maker would have been making metal oboes.
Title: one piece joint in A?
Post by: Windsong on January 12, 2017, 02:16:45 PM
Not the run of the mill listing, here...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-F-Barbier-Wooden-Clarinet-Made-Paris-France-A/152387376082?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40807%26meid%3Df73f20ffd6a5431e8849695b98560f05%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D282317325356
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 12, 2017, 04:46:00 PM
I've already got enough A clarinets...  Pretty neat though.  Sure hope it's an actual A, and not a seller mistake.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on January 16, 2017, 04:18:47 PM
This isn't an ebay auction, but a collectors site that shows the most watched ebay auctions, and if you hover over the picture it will show you the number of watchers.  One I thought was slipping by unnoticed has over 30 others watching it.

http://www.collectorsweekly.com/musical-instruments/clarinets/auctions
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 16, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
That's a really neat site!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on January 16, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
That's a really neat site!

It is, but when the rubber meets the road the number of watchers for a particular instrument is irrelevant. It's almost on the verge of "click bait" but it seems like a legit website. I did however do a quick search on Market Street Media LLC and was not too impressed by my findings.

 As a side note, I've been asked to "watch" items of non-interest to me just get the interest going . . . . . so that's why I'm just "meh" about it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on January 22, 2017, 02:12:06 PM
That's a really neat site!

It is, but when the rubber meets the road the number of watchers for a particular instrument is irrelevant. It's almost on the verge of "click bait" but it seems like a legit website. I did however do a quick search on Market Street Media LLC and was not too impressed by my findings.

 As a side note, I've been asked to "watch" items of non-interest to me just get the interest going . . . . . so that's why I'm just "meh" about it.

It would be interesting to find out how they do their data scrape and just how accurate it is. Next time I have something out there I'll compare their numbers to ebays.

I can see people that use the watch counter in their ad getting shill watchers, but for most it wouldn't make sense. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on January 22, 2017, 04:34:14 PM
Did anyone here grab this one? https://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=36272401 (https://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=36272401)  I thinks that it's the same instrument as an early French made Bundy - should be a high quality clarinet.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 22, 2017, 04:54:25 PM
Sure; it even uses the same font.  That's a 1930's model. 
It should be a nice player when fixed up.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 22, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Nice! Will be a great player, but a poor reseller.  But who cares about reselling!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: rmhoon on January 25, 2017, 02:13:49 PM
Thought I might have started this out too high, but looks like it got a bid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/132074139333?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 25, 2017, 04:10:50 PM
I have one as well, but without the metal articulated tenon.  It's been in pieces for the past 3 years or so.. Maybe one day I'll fix it up. 

That price is just about what I expect.  You might be able to squeeze $200 out of it, but that might be a stretch.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 25, 2017, 07:46:38 PM
@Rmhoon,
Nice stick...
It appears clean and straight, and it's a 7 ringer.
These typically sell for 187 quid or more, these days.
How does it play?
Regardless, it's a good investment @ $150.00+, stencil or not, as long as it's solid.
The fact that you mention it's pre-war (though the thumb rest looks late 40s) makes it more desireable for a good many collectors.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on January 26, 2017, 06:29:14 AM
Somebody got a good deal- A clarinet and Ch. Chedeville mpc

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Vintage-Carl-Fischer-Clarinet-36388438.html
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on January 26, 2017, 07:51:35 AM
Somebody got a good deal- A clarinet and Ch. Chedeville mpc

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Vintage-Carl-Fischer-Clarinet-36388438.html

Hopefully they get an A. 
Not sure what some of these goodwills use for a measuring stick, but 2 times now I've gotten clarinets that didn't match the length they gave.  First was a 28" plastic that turned out to be a Bb hard rubber silver throat of unknown origin.  Second was supposed to be 21" without mouthpiece and I'm thinking C, but it turned out to be a 1908 conn HP Bb.  Paid less that $20 each after shipping, so it still worked out in my favor. 
Moral of this story is unless you're positive from the pictures, goodwill is still a crap shoot.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on January 26, 2017, 08:47:19 AM
It's an A, I can tell from pics.  If the mpc is in good shape, probably a few hundred bucks.  Still have that HP?  Is it a Boehm system?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on January 26, 2017, 04:16:34 PM
It's an A, I can tell from pics.  If the mpc is in good shape, probably a few hundred bucks.  Still have that HP?  Is it a Boehm system?

I still have it and it is a 17/6 boehm.  It's currently in the "not sure what to do with it" box.
It has a lots of issues.  It came with a 68mm Harry Pedler barrel with a crack in it, a CG Conn(oval logo) bell, and the 1 piece body does not say Conn on it at all.  It took awhile to figure out what it is.
It has the union logo and factory 34 above the A key.  The serial number B15079H fits the Conn numbering and puts it at 1908.  It's a pretty close match look wise to the pictures in the 1906 Conn catalog, other than the catalog shows an enhanced boehm.  A number of Conn ads also sport the same union label.  The wood is in good shape, no cracks or repairs that I can make out.  Leather pads all around need to be replaced and some, if not most, keys need swedging. 
If the weather breaks around here and we get some sun without freezing temps, I'll try to get some decent pics of it.  Until then, here is a close up of the union label.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 27, 2017, 10:56:56 AM
This Contrabass might end at an "affordable" price!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391685105585?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 27, 2017, 11:36:32 AM
Perhaps...that crack is unfortunate, though, on an otherwise clean looking instrument.

How would you repair that, Dave?
Glue, compression clamps, and then a lot of fine sanding/polishing?
Metal band?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 27, 2017, 09:42:13 PM
Since it doesn't appear to be cracked all the way through, a simple application of glue on the outside might stabilize it enough to make it last.
If it's broken clean through, I would get some hardcore epoxy, clamp that sucker up and reinforce it with some metal braces. Won't look nice, but should keep it together.

This auction includes the case, which is actually worth quite a bit...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on January 28, 2017, 10:27:41 AM
If you wand to avoid the metal band, after the glue and clamps you can pin it going in from the end parallel to the bore.  Hobby shops that deal heavily in RC planes have lengths of very fine threaded rod.  On a plastic instument drill very slow.  I did an end repair like that on my sons first Vito and the first pin ended up being the drill bit itself.  I hesitated a second and the melted plastic grabbed the bit and snapped it flush.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 28, 2017, 03:03:38 PM
Mechanic,
Good advice on the pinning, and the slow drilling.
It's hard to fix melted plastic, and especially--hard rubber.
Have you seen these fibreglass and kevlar rods they have begun to use for pinning cracks?  They are much like the kevlar pins used for filling a root canal hole.
I only caught wind of them a few months ago.  They are apparently very good in wood repairs, but perhaps even betterfor plastic and HR repairs?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 29, 2017, 04:11:34 PM
I usually only post things here that I don't need/want or can't afford, but I'm sure someone else would love :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 29, 2017, 09:45:58 PM
I don't think I've ever seen a unibody Buffet albert before.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buffet-Crampon-Paris-Clarinet-LP/122326472108?_trksid=p2055119.c100022.m2048&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122153519%26meid%3D7a29ca9b1d4a42229ffe38ac901c90d9%26pid%3D100022%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D391685105585
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 29, 2017, 10:31:51 PM
Yes...fascinating...for a good many reasons.
Are you certain that's an Albert?  I see a good many Albert cues, but is it possible that this is a hybrid Boehm?  Clever inventors loved to throw curve balls back in the 1920s...
I have never seen a 6 (or counting the thumb, which we don't see) or 7 ring Albert.  The rollers, in and of themselves don't entirely convince me, but you are most likely correct.
Whatever this is, it is Incredibly unusual, and rather special--even with the missing keywork.

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 29, 2017, 10:45:05 PM
I would call it an "Advanced Albert", or something along those lines.  I personally have a 6(7)-ring Albert, which has even more bells and whistles, including an alternate right hand pinky key and a extension on the C# key so that it can be reached by the right pointer finger.

I think what defines Boehm is that the lower section's 3-ring key actuates the upper section via the bridge key, which doesn't happen on Alberts.  On alberts the upper joint's rings have their pivot point on the side opposite the trill keys, while on Boehms the pivot point is on the same side as the trill key.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on January 30, 2017, 09:19:36 AM
I agree that one is an Albert with enhanced or extra keywork, but there were sveral flavors of "demi-Boehm" clarinet made, one type with Albert keys except for Boehm pinky keys, and vice versa!  Check it out: http://martinfreres.net/martin-freres-catalog-of-clarinets-from-1905/
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 30, 2017, 11:13:08 AM
This Contrabass might end at an "affordable" price!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391685105585?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Well it definitely sold for more than I was expecting, especially with the crack.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 30, 2017, 11:24:03 AM
I agree that one is an Albert with enhanced or extra keywork, but there were sveral flavors of "demi-Boehm" clarinet made, one type with Albert keys except for Boehm pinky keys, and vice versa!  Check it out: http://martinfreres.net/martin-freres-catalog-of-clarinets-from-1905/
Very interesting. Some of those I don't think would be able to be considered one or the other.  Cool!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on January 30, 2017, 06:07:43 PM
So, is this one convertable from albert to demi-boehm?

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=36705237

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 30, 2017, 08:10:12 PM
Incredible!  A first!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 30, 2017, 09:02:41 PM
Aha!  The Cramnon advantage!!
The regular Crampon models don't have that functionality!
(Actually, that looks legit.  Is it possible those top joints are genuinely interchangeable?)
By the by, that's Cundy--not Gundy as the listing suggests, and that makes this pretty curious.  I know of no Cundy/BC collaborations, so I must assume this is quite the mash-up.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 30, 2017, 09:42:12 PM
Well, what do you know...it would appear that they did indeed collaborate.  Here's another example, albeit quite different, but the bell appears to be the same.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buffet-Crampon-Clarinet-W-H-Cundy-Boston-/282343140864?rmvSB=true&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Ficep_ff3%253D2%2526pub%253D5574933636%2526toolid%253D10001%2526campid%253D5336728181%2526customid%253D%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww%25252Eebay%25252Ecom%25252Fitm%25252FBuffet-Crampon-Clarinet-W-H-Cundy-Boston-%25252F282343140864%2526srcrot%253D711-53200-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D1161294710750&ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 31, 2017, 08:51:37 AM
Aha!  The Cramnon advantage!!
The regular Crampon models don't have that functionality!
(Actually, that looks legit.  Is it possible those top joints are genuinely interchangeable?)
By the by, that's Cundy--not Gundy as the listing suggests, and that makes this pretty curious.  I know of no Cundy/BC collaborations, so I must assume this is quite the mash-up.
Interesting.  It doesn't appear that the upper joint has a bridge key.  MAYBE it really is interchangeable!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on January 31, 2017, 03:59:53 PM
Cundy was a Buffet importer for a time.  Pretty neat to have both upper joints, I seriously doubt it was sold that way, though, but I could be mistaken!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 31, 2017, 06:50:02 PM
Exactly.  No bridge key.  I'll bet the were interchangeable.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on January 31, 2017, 07:17:30 PM
Exactly.  No bridge key.  I'll bet the were interchangeable.
But what's the point?  To help assist in the transition or something?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on January 31, 2017, 08:25:17 PM
I suspect the point was more aligned with sales, not actually in inherent functionality.
Boehms were quickly gaining in popularity, and I suspect they felt it was advantagious to offer "versatility".
Snake oil comes in many forms...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on February 01, 2017, 04:21:15 PM
Did no-one notice the Noblet eefer or did someone else try to grab it?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Noblet-Clarinet-Paris-France-/262818618026?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=MDhyPci82ISnvAYecJBCQPhACjg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Noblet-Clarinet-Paris-France-/262818618026?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=MDhyPci82ISnvAYecJBCQPhACjg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)

Came in the mail today.  It's stable down to G# in the lower register.  Gets wobbly at G, is ok at F# and F.  E is a no-go because the pad fell out.  It also has a bug hole in the pad.  Yes, the barrel is stuck onto the mouthpiece and it's backwards. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on February 01, 2017, 04:55:11 PM
Cundy was a Buffet importer for a time.  Pretty neat to have both upper joints, I seriously doubt it was sold that way, though, but I could be mistaken!
Apparently, reports state that from 1897-1907, Cundy was aligned with BC.  At the very least we have likely definitively dated this peculiar horn.  This makes sense, as in 1907, Cundy branded with Bettony, exclusively--at least for a time.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on February 02, 2017, 05:48:49 AM
That's a nice looking 45 piccolo, Andy.   I'll wager it'll be a beautiful player.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on February 02, 2017, 04:17:14 PM
Did no-one notice the Noblet eefer or did someone else try to grab it?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Noblet-Clarinet-Paris-France-/262818618026?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=MDhyPci82ISnvAYecJBCQPhACjg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Noblet-Clarinet-Paris-France-/262818618026?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=MDhyPci82ISnvAYecJBCQPhACjg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)

Came in the mail today.  It's stable down to G# in the lower register.  Gets wobbly at G, is ok at F# and F.  E is a no-go because the pad fell out.  It also has a bug hole in the pad.  Yes, the barrel is stuck onto the mouthpiece and it's backwards.

Yeah, I saw it.  A right good deal you got still I think...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Harry Erickson on February 06, 2017, 04:47:15 AM
I want to share not link from ebay, but several options (+guides) about clarinets. Hope that they will be very useful because they helped me to choose the best one to buy: http://windplays.com/best-clarinet-brands-buyers-guide/ (http://windplays.com/best-clarinet-brands-buyers-guide/)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on February 06, 2017, 06:35:30 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-PLATU-CLARINET-VITO-Leblanc-/222399449016?hash=item33c80a47b8:g:Yo4AAOSwLEtYllgP


Plateau keyed Vito Bb clarinet

Lisa
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on February 06, 2017, 08:32:16 AM
So, is this one convertable from albert to demi-boehm?

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=36705237

Well, that sold at close to retail ??? Wow.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on February 20, 2017, 09:32:10 AM
I personally don't believe the upper and lower joints match on this:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintage-Buffet-Crampon-Unibarrel-Wood-Bb-Clarinet-1942-No-Cracks-Look-/152441637899?nav=SEARCH

If it plays OK...why not I guess- but not for ~$500.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on February 20, 2017, 06:44:59 PM
I personally don't believe the upper and lower joints match on this:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintage-Buffet-Crampon-Unibarrel-Wood-Bb-Clarinet-1942-No-Cracks-Look-/152441637899?nav=SEARCH

If it plays OK...why not I guess- but not for ~$500.
Neat. Those are darn hard to fiind
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on February 21, 2017, 08:04:11 AM
I love them- I have an Eb, 2 Cs, and a Bb with integrated barrel.  This style was most popular in France and easier to find there.  There doesn't seem to be a consensus on why they exist.  The original Boehm clarinet patent drawings apparently are in this style.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 02, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
I really want this 18th century clarinet, but I guess I don't need it (despite my signature)- I've got to be a responsible adult or something...but how often do these show up?:  http://m.ebay.com/itm/162409786062

This Buffet metal ain't too bad either, I've heard they aren't anything special, but I like the articulated C#/G# and unusual angled pad cup arm on the upper: http://m.ebay.com/itm/322436870649

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 03, 2017, 01:28:37 PM
Mod,
That's some beautiful tigerwood.  It appears to have had a hard life, though, and that's a lot of chicken scratch for a horn that looks like it needs a bit of reconstructive work.  I searched GIRGNE, and came up with nothing, save for a random link citing Cyprus, which is plausible, and is that a "C" engraved near the maker's mark? 

Save your cash;  something better will come along for a better price, I'll wager, or wait for them to drop the price a couple hundred.  Still, a 200 year old clarinet is a sight to behold (and to be held!).
Title: Big Pedler
Post by: Windsong on March 03, 2017, 04:35:51 PM
Here's a great deal for someone who could give this old Pedler a little love.  It looks too good to be relegated to the parts bin, just yet:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-pedler-body-parts-for-bass-clarinet/322437696765?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D0e9301bbb7b2448ba764c6c5d12d0a25%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D132104238066
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 03, 2017, 05:11:57 PM
Those pedlers are always fun with that wonky linkage between the joints. However, finding a replacement bell and neck would probably end up costing as much as the joints themselves.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 04, 2017, 05:39:41 AM
Mod,
That's some beautiful tigerwood.  It appears to have had a hard life, though, and that's a lot of chicken scratch for a horn that looks like it needs a bit of reconstructive work.  I searched GIRGNE, and came up with nothing, save for a random link citing Cyprus, which is plausible, and is that a "C" engraved near the maker's mark? 

Save your cash;  something better will come along for a better price, I'll wager, or wait for them to drop the price a couple hundred.  Still, a 200 year old clarinet is a sight to behold (and to be held!).

Condition is the factor here, the maker being the other - I've never seen a complete (what I believe)18th century clarinet for sale before, but it is telling nobody bid on it yet.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 04, 2017, 08:09:44 AM
Oh, they come up every few months.  Remember that 1790s Heinrich Grenser I lamented not going higher on?  Perhaps one of 13 in the world, and it sold complete, for a piddly $202.00.  I will never forgive myself for not at least pushing the price to $500.00.
Of course, if I catch your drift, the less you can find on an instrument, the better, as far as rarity goes.  I get that.  However, the fact that there is no information at all makes me wonder as to profitability of resale down the road. 
(EDIT: The Grenser was missing the bell, as I've just re-examined.  Carry on!)  ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 04, 2017, 09:57:48 AM
I do remember that, I guess I was thinking of the lower joint and bell being one piece as being indicative of the 18th century.  Apparently, the late 18th century was a transition period where the bell started getting separated, 1770s or 1780s maybe?  They are around for sure.  Anyway, I haven't seen a complete clarinet with the bell integrated "stock bell?" come up for auction.  I've seen only the lower integrated bell section on French eBay a couple years ago.  Yeah, I search ebays all over the world!  Though, the new CITES restrictions are a bummer.  I think they were asking 100 euros but I can't remember if it sold.  I don't constantly, actively look for them like I do other stuff, though- so I could have missed something.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 04, 2017, 01:11:32 PM
I do too  8).
I search England and Bohemia looking for what I like.  They are more abundant, and the prices typically cheaper (even with shipping taken into consideration), save for England when looking at boxwood "flat keys".  They know what they have, it seems, but they have a lot of them!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 04, 2017, 02:43:06 PM
Here's a fun one-but it's been played into oblivion, HP Bb Couesnon Boehm:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/361918037630
Plus it's overseas...
If anyone runs across any HP Boehms, let me know!  I'm really interested in C's or A's, I've only ever seen two or three Boehm HP Cs for sale, two were trashed or incomplete, one was a Buffet Crampon and went for more than I have in my 4 LP Boehm Cs combined.  A's are kind of hard to spot because they are more similar in size to a LP Bb- again Buffets show up marked HP A sometimes and still go for big money. ::) I don't know if HP Boehm Ebs were ever made, I haven't ever seen one! :o
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 04, 2017, 04:56:07 PM
That's an interesting one, indeed.  At the moment, despite the fact that it needs work and is dry as a bone, it's a very good price.

One clarinet I've never seen is a 100 year old LP Boehm C.  4 ringers?  All the time, and always in Albert system.
I'd be curious to know if 1900-vintage Boehm LP Cs exist.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on March 04, 2017, 05:01:31 PM
Is that a metal insert in the bell tenon?  picture 8.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 04, 2017, 05:09:13 PM
Is that a metal insert in the bell tenon?  picture 8.
Looks like a music holder lyre attachment thing was put around the bell's metal upper ring
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 04, 2017, 05:33:58 PM
Is that a metal insert in the bell tenon?  picture 8.

I saw that, and wondered if it was a delamination issue, but that would be odd for the time period, though not impossible.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 04, 2017, 05:50:20 PM
That's an interesting one, indeed.  At the moment, despite the fact that it needs work and is dry as a bone, it's a very good price.

One clarinet I've never seen is a 100 year old LP Boehm C.  4 ringers?  All the time, and always in Albert system.
I'd be curious to know if 1900-vintage Boehm LP Cs exist.

Uh, are you just teasing me, I've got 4 Boehm C's from the 1880s-1920s era!  One is a Eugene Thibouville w/integrated barrel (he stopped production in 1893!).  I also have an Edmond Chedeville w/wraparound register, the unknown one I just fixed up and posted about recently w/wraparound register, and a V. Kohlert Sohne Graslitz w. Integrated barrel and wraparound register(this one almost seems like a prototype or something).  I think they must be around about several hundred times as rare as Bbs of the era by my estimation.  The one that got away was a Martel Freres LP Boehm C with integrated barrel on French eBay.  Also missed out on a similar Hammerschmidt, same venue....Ugh!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 04, 2017, 06:33:10 PM
No--I'm serious.  I don't recall having seen a LP C Boehm from that time.  I have seen high pitched models, but don't recall seeing a low pitched one--only Alberts, and I have a few of those. 

If you have 4 of them, I'm clearly looking in the wrong place!
 ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on March 04, 2017, 07:57:15 PM
Is that a metal insert in the bell tenon?  picture 8.

I saw that, and wondered if it was a delamination issue, but that would be odd for the time period, though not impossible.

Looking at it on a bigger screen now.  It's got to be metal, brass maybe?, and if not original, a very good job.  Looks like the inside seam between it and the barrel is perfectly flush.  Precursor to tenon caps perhaps?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on March 04, 2017, 09:10:21 PM
Those pedlers are always fun with that wonky linkage between the joints. However, finding a replacement bell and neck would probably end up costing as much as the joints themselves.

I have a bell (well, a clarinet sans neck) and a friend appears to have the appropriate neck.  He has my Pedler bass right now, and as of last check, he was having trouble getting the keywork off due to frozen screws.  I thought that mine had a 5th key in the LH cluster (G#/D#) but I see that this one does not. 



Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 05, 2017, 07:30:21 AM
Another "neat but trashed" -C.G. Conn double-walled metal Albert:

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Vintage--Elkhart-Clarinet-Incomplete-37547418.html
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on March 05, 2017, 07:52:01 AM
Just noticed those Pedler joints are hard rubber, not grenadilla.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on March 05, 2017, 08:23:51 AM
Meanwhile, I see that the seven ring LeBlanc over on the good of will's auction site has been bid up north of $250.  Someone is going to end up with a very nice clarinet.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 05, 2017, 09:02:40 AM
No--I'm serious.  I don't recall having seen a LP C Boehm from that time.  I have seen high pitched models, but don't recall seeing a low pitched one--only Alberts, and I have a few of those. 

If you have 4 of them, I'm clearly looking in the wrong place!
 ;)

I'm quite good at spotting them-they are quite rare, maybe show up a few times per year.  Forget about Buffets though, people will sometimes go insane even when they don't know what they're doing.  HP Boehm C's from the era exist but are incredibly rare- I've seen 3 that I can remember for auction over the past 10 years or so.  A Jerome Thibouville Lamy (missing barrel, crusty), a C.G. Conn (broken, poorly reglued and generally trashed)and a Buffet Crampon(nice, but ended up selling for big money).  Somebody else out there must collect HP instruments too, who are you freaks! ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 05, 2017, 09:11:22 AM
I'm quite good at spotting them-they are quite rare, maybe show up a few times per year.  Forget about Buffets though, people will sometimes go insane even when they don't know what they're doing.

What price range do you usually find they start at, and are the sellers typically knowledgable as to what they have?

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 05, 2017, 09:27:49 AM
I'm quite good at spotting them-they are quite rare, maybe show up a few times per year.  Forget about Buffets though, people will sometimes go insane even when they don't know what they're doing.

What price range do you usually find they start at, and are the sellers typically knowledgable as to what they have?

All over the map- I generally don't look for auctions where they are listed as such, except I got the Kohlert from somebody who knew exactly what it was- IIRC no other bidders though, or maybe one.  I think I got it for close to the opening bid of $99, which I consider vastly overpaying!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 06, 2017, 10:57:22 AM
Meanwhile, I see that the seven ring LeBlanc over on the good of will's auction site has been bid up north of $250.  Someone is going to end up with a very nice clarinet.
. Certainly fascinating- very rare to see the extra tone hole on the lower joint like it has-I've seen a few like this, some old F.A. Uebels, Couesnons and some other obscure ones.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 11, 2017, 09:07:17 AM
This one just arrived to my house today:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/262879406277?_mwBanner=1

You sharp eyed clarineteers may have noticed this is a Buffet Crampon unibody.  Condition is good for the age, no cracks or severe wear.  I already have an old Buffet wood bell that fits!  I think it once had that glossy black paint/lacquered finish many old clarinets had that probably deteriorated and somebody sanded the rest off, that's why the logo is so faint.  The bell I have still is about 50/50 deteriorated finish/bare wood.  I'll just sand the rest off.  Serial is very faint, seems to be 12F or maybe 12P?  That is 1891 or 1902.  When were instruments first marked HP/LP?  This one is marked LP so that might help date it.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 11, 2017, 10:52:38 AM
This one just arrived to my house today:

http://m.ebay.com/itm/262879406277?_mwBanner=1

You sharp eyed clarineteers may have noticed this is a Buffet Crampon unibody.  Condition is good for the age, no cracks or severe wear.  I already have an old Buffet wood bell that fits!  I think it once had that glossy black paint/lacquered finish many old clarinets had that probably deteriorated and somebody sanded the rest off, that's why the logo is so faint.  The bell I have still is about 50/50 deteriorated finish/bare wood.  I'll just sand the rest off.
You got an amazing price
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 11, 2017, 01:35:36 PM
I saw that in my "you might like" feed, and didn't even give it a second glance.
Dadgumbit!  That's an amazing deal...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 13, 2017, 06:24:02 PM
Correction, I took a closer look at the serial:  A124, which makes it 1886! :o
Title: How utterly fantastic is this?!
Post by: Windsong on March 16, 2017, 08:10:45 PM
One word:
Wow...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEBLANC-342-PARIS-FRANCE-BBb-STRAIGHT-CONTRA-BASS-CLARINET-LOW-Eb-BEAUTIFUL/201847898735?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3D6ecf46d29ef547f59290ada25171f8a6%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D112134198917
Title: Re: How utterly fantastic is this?!
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 16, 2017, 08:40:09 PM
One word:
Wow...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEBLANC-342-PARIS-FRANCE-BBb-STRAIGHT-CONTRA-BASS-CLARINET-LOW-Eb-BEAUTIFUL/201847898735?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3D6ecf46d29ef547f59290ada25171f8a6%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D112134198917
The price is about on point. If I wasn't desperately poor I'd be all over it...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on March 17, 2017, 11:43:32 PM
I saw that in my "you might like" feed, and didn't even give it a second glance.
Dadgumbit!  That's an amazing deal...

Ahem, and how many clarinets do you have now?   :o
I had to pick on you, as I haven't heard Dadgumbit for a long time.  Matter of fact, until I read your post, i had no idea how one would even spell Dadgumbit!  I hope you're right, because I'm going to be using it the next time I play Scrabble. 
And for the record, it also was in my feed, so I can say, Dadgumbit!  As it didn't catch my eye either.  Nice snag, Modernicus!  It's a beauty.
Lisa
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 18, 2017, 03:22:44 PM
Oh holy...this is-just wow...knowledgeable collector doesn't even know what it is!?  Is this thing a one off handmade experiment????
http://m.ebay.com/itm/142317993062
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 18, 2017, 04:36:03 PM
Oh holy...this is-just wow...knowledgeable collector doesn't even know what it is!?  Is this thing a one off handmade experiment????
http://m.ebay.com/itm/142317993062
If it's in F, and it's straight, then there's only one possible thing it could be: the F tenor clarinet.
It's essentially a straight basset horn with a narrower bore. Best suited for whatever musical style this is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPqj3pQyL6s

For the most part, it's absolutely unnecessary to have in your orchestra. But if you have an extra 8 grand and you're a hardcore collector, then this definitely belongs in your collection.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 18, 2017, 05:37:17 PM
Super spendy, but when will you ever find another?  For the price of an inflated Selmer MK VI, you can have the one and only true progenitor:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/272569282919?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Title: And have a gander at Big Mama paperclip...
Post by: Windsong on March 18, 2017, 05:47:12 PM
Just fantastic, and a good deal for its condition:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leblanc-Straight-BBb-Contrabass-Clarinet-VERY-NICE-WOW-QuinnTheEskimo/332138077160?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D5fab0424e18d4f5bb2c61715aa6ee544%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201847898735
Title: Re: And have a gander at Big Mama paperclip...
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 18, 2017, 07:00:40 PM
Just fantastic, and a good deal for its condition:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leblanc-Straight-BBb-Contrabass-Clarinet-VERY-NICE-WOW-QuinnTheEskimo/332138077160?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D5fab0424e18d4f5bb2c61715aa6ee544%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201847898735
Reminds me of the time I missed out on a straight metal contrabass that ended up selling for $1,700...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 19, 2017, 06:23:19 AM
Oh holy...this is-just wow...knowledgeable collector doesn't even know what it is!?  Is this thing a one off handmade experiment????
http://m.ebay.com/itm/142317993062
If it's in F, and it's straight, then there's only one possible thing it could be: the F tenor clarinet.
It's essentially a straight basset horn with a narrower bore. Best suited for whatever musical style this is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPqj3pQyL6s

For the most part, it's absolutely unnecessary to have in your orchestra. But if you have an extra 8 grand and you're a hardcore collector, then this definitely belongs in your collection.

I actually contacted him to let him know this thing existed.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on March 19, 2017, 07:14:37 AM
Oh holy...this is-just wow...knowledgeable collector doesn't even know what it is!?  Is this thing a one off handmade experiment????
http://m.ebay.com/itm/142317993062
If it's in F, and it's straight, then there's only one possible thing it could be: the F tenor clarinet.
It's essentially a straight basset horn with a narrower bore. Best suited for whatever musical style this is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPqj3pQyL6s

For the most part, it's absolutely unnecessary to have in your orchestra. But if you have an extra 8 grand and you're a hardcore collector, then this definitely belongs in your collection.

I actually contacted him to let him know this thing existed.

Seller should have it worked into playing condition and then post a sound clip. Could be a tough sell otherwise.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 19, 2017, 10:32:59 AM
Oh holy...this is-just wow...knowledgeable collector doesn't even know what it is!?  Is this thing a one off handmade experiment????
http://m.ebay.com/itm/142317993062
If it's in F, and it's straight, then there's only one possible thing it could be: the F tenor clarinet.
It's essentially a straight basset horn with a narrower bore. Best suited for whatever musical style this is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPqj3pQyL6s

For the most part, it's absolutely unnecessary to have in your orchestra. But if you have an extra 8 grand and you're a hardcore collector, then this definitely belongs in your collection.

I actually contacted him to let him know this thing existed.

Seller should have it worked into playing condition and then post a sound clip. Could be a tough sell otherwise.
Definitely, although some people or museums would buy it for their collection, nobody's going to pay that much and then pay another who knows how much to get it overhauled.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on March 19, 2017, 11:01:47 AM
A unibody clarinet from the Japanese Imperial Navy, anyone?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222442662077?ul_noapp=true (http://www.ebay.com/itm/222442662077?ul_noapp=true)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on March 19, 2017, 12:37:52 PM
Oh holy...this is-just wow...knowledgeable collector doesn't even know what it is!?  Is this thing a one off handmade experiment????
http://m.ebay.com/itm/142317993062
If it's in F, and it's straight, then there's only one possible thing it could be: the F tenor clarinet.
It's essentially a straight basset horn with a narrower bore. Best suited for whatever musical style this is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPqj3pQyL6s

For the most part, it's absolutely unnecessary to have in your orchestra. But if you have an extra 8 grand and you're a hardcore collector, then this definitely belongs in your collection.

snaps  That's jazz, Jackson.  Real cool jazz.

He's Romanian, but lives in the Netherlands.

https://www.last.fm/music/Alex+Simu/+wiki (https://www.last.fm/music/Alex+Simu/+wiki)

https://www.facebook.com/AlexSiMusic/ (https://www.facebook.com/AlexSiMusic/)

From what I've read, a tenor clarinet is the same thing as a basset horn.  Note on his FB page that he has a more traditional L-shape instrument. 

There's also the basset clarinet (remember when a "prototype" closed on the 'bay for a few hundred?), which has a B-flat soprano sized bore and is really most sincerely long.  Here's Sabine Meyer <3 playing on one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krwEK4NTRco (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krwEK4NTRco)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 19, 2017, 03:38:29 PM
The bassett clarinet is infinitely more useful than a basset horn or a tenor clarinet, due to it's extension to low C.
I honestly can't think of any reason you'd use an alto clarinet in F instead of Eb, unless the only music you can find is written for the french horn...
Title: The real thing.
Post by: Windsong on March 26, 2017, 02:33:54 PM
We've all seen this one come through a couple of times (at least) before, but honestly, this is not a bad price for a very well made clarinet from the 1920s.  Look at the EXTREMELY low serial number.  That one buggered rod key may prove problematic, but it appears to be in otherwise good sort.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-GM-Bundy-Paris-Wood-Wooden-Clarinet-Made-in-France-in-Selmer-Case-/272588363336?hash=item3f77885648:g:vCYAAOSwcLxYMyzF
Title: Re: The real thing.
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 26, 2017, 04:48:59 PM
We've all seen this one come through a couple of times (at least) before, but honestly, this is not a bad price for a very well made clarinet from the 1920s.  Look at the EXTREMELY low serial number.  That one buggered rod key may prove problematic, but it appears to be in otherwise good sort.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-GM-Bundy-Paris-Wood-Wooden-Clarinet-Made-in-France-in-Selmer-Case-/272588363336?hash=item3f77885648:g:vCYAAOSwcLxYMyzF
That's really quite good. $125 - and with the original mouthpiece! What a deal. Shined up and polished it will be absolutely beautiful... Good luck to whomever gets it!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on March 26, 2017, 07:01:05 PM
That is early-note the older "up and down" style thumbrest beside the low serial number.  It does have two LH pinky key posts I notice- 1930 or so?
Title: Re: The real thing.
Post by: Windsong on March 26, 2017, 10:17:56 PM

That's really quite good. $125 - and with the original mouthpiece! What a deal. Shined up and polished it will be absolutely beautiful... Good luck to whomever gets it!

I think so, though the original mouthpiece is a total loss, with the chipped tip, and all.  Still, it should be held onto.
These old Bundys play beautifully, once spiffed up, and who doesn't like a 7 ring?  I notice the price has continued to drop these last few months.  I may be wrong, but I seem to recall the initial listing at close to or just over 2 bills, and there wasn't enough meat on the bone at that price.   

Mod--yes; about 1930, perhaps as old as 1926.  A mid 3 digit serial number could well be a first or second year.  I don't see the original G.M. Bundys come through all that often. 
Keywork is very solid, but these keys won't "buff out".  These are a brass alloy that have been either chrome or nickel plated.  The original keywork is tough, and actually nicely sculped, but those keys will have to be re-plated, and that's not cheap. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 26, 2017, 10:28:49 PM
When they do come through, fully overhauled, they command a pretty decent asking price, (see auction below) but these are low serial numbers, and when you consider that the name Bundy adorned several hundred thousand Bb sopranos, in various forms, it really places inherant value into a solid perspective.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-French-BUNDY-Professional-Grenadilla-wood-Bb-Clarinet-Serial-number-251/182148768215?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D42818%26meid%3Dd18b2fa73a804388b70f97226c6ae9a5%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D272588363336
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 03, 2017, 05:07:16 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leblanc-Noblet-Clarinet-Parts-/262920536682?hash=item3d3749026a:g:BgkAAOSwTM5Y4SAC

A simple German system stamped D Noblet?  looks to be made of hard rubber, and (yes, I see the crack).
I've never seen one of these before.
Any guesses, as to age?


Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on April 03, 2017, 07:17:40 AM
Hard Rubber cracks???
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 03, 2017, 09:24:05 AM
Hard Rubber cracks???
Not naturally, I wouldn't think. I guess anything will crack if you drop it from high enough, though...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 03, 2017, 07:41:38 PM
Hard rubber is thermally very stable.  You could melt one in a hot car, but most weather will not affect it.  It can certainly break if abused.

I've NEVER seen a Noblet in HR, though, nor have I ever seen one in simple system.  It doesn't add up.  The company that we know today to be Noblet did not re-launch until just after the end of WWII.  I can think of no company making something so primative at that late date.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 03, 2017, 08:01:21 PM
Here is an odd-duck.  I cannot say I've ever seen an A and C# key like these, and that G# runs way wide.  Check out those curious sliver keys, as well.  Looks to be HR or resonite.  Not the greatest selection of photos.  I mean, you get to post 12 for free.  And no stamps or batch marks?
This clarinet gives off cues from the 1950s.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinet-in-Good-Condition-with-Case-and-Mouthpiece-Included/152490275276?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D42818%26meid%3D56c04509c83544ebb52beffb858a1ae8%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D361940612230
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 04, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
A straight metal alto?  :o www.ebay.com/itm/142333714217?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Don't blink or you'll miss it!  ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 04, 2017, 04:47:06 PM
A straight metal alto?  :o www.ebay.com/itm/142333714217?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Don't blink or you'll miss it!  ;)
For that price, I think I'll blink pretty long
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 04, 2017, 07:01:00 PM
Hey, it was $8k!  But they're keeping the mouthpiece and it isn't overhauled?  Might be the only one, but there's  always something that was or could be made that is a little out of reach...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 04, 2017, 11:42:43 PM
Hey, it was $8k!  But they're keeping the mouthpiece and it isn't overhauled?  Might be the only one, but there's  always something that was or could be made that is a little out of reach...
Speaking of long reaches....http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-silver-metal-bass-clarinet-Guy-Humphrey-made-in-France-fresh-overhauled-/252845320128?hash=item3adec167c0:g:aZ8AAOSw5cNYi4sv

You have to admit that this would be an impressive pair, and also impressively heavy to lift. The things we do for art...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 05, 2017, 08:05:59 AM
Hey, it was $8k!  But they're keeping the mouthpiece and it isn't overhauled?  Might be the only one, but there's  always something that was or could be made that is a little out of reach...
Speaking of long reaches....http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-silver-metal-bass-clarinet-Guy-Humphrey-made-in-France-fresh-overhauled-/252845320128?hash=item3adec167c0:g:aZ8AAOSw5cNYi4sv

You have to admit that this would be an impressive pair, and also impressively heavy to lift. The things we do for art...
Years ago, a metal Moennig bass sold for around $550. I missed it and I hate myself every day for it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 05, 2017, 09:52:46 AM
Your back bones secretly celebrated the loss.  ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on April 05, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
A straight metal alto?  :o www.ebay.com/itm/142333714217?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Don't blink or you'll miss it!  ;)
For that price, I think I'll blink pretty long

Relisted at the low-low price of $4445:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintage-Silver-F-F-Clarinet-Basset-Horn-What-is-it-you-tell-us/142337523733?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Dcb6f28b6ccac42e187b22932e69b4a82%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D142333714217 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Vintage-Silver-F-F-Clarinet-Basset-Horn-What-is-it-you-tell-us/142337523733?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Dcb6f28b6ccac42e187b22932e69b4a82%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D142333714217)

If it's really a basset horn, that puts it in the price range of used ones.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 05, 2017, 10:56:41 AM
I think they cut the price so you afford to buy the matching metal bass one!

Basset horn? I agree that the homework seems to be a bit thinner than the ask price, but a straight metal alto seems more plausible, and certainly something more marketable (slightly).
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on April 06, 2017, 05:17:13 AM
...If it's really a basset horn, that puts it in the price range of used ones.

It's not a basset horn.  It doesn't have the basset notes.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 06, 2017, 09:48:32 AM
...If it's really a basset horn, that puts it in the price range of used ones.

It's not a basset horn.  It doesn't have the basset notes.
It's probably a tenor clarinet then
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 06, 2017, 09:49:21 AM
...If it's really a basset horn, that puts it in the price range of used ones.

It's not a basset horn.  It doesn't have the basset notes.
Actually, it could be a basset horn.
You're thinking of the basset clarinet, which is a clarinet in A extended to low C.
Basset horn is simply an alto clarinet in F.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on April 07, 2017, 02:56:25 AM
You're wrong there I'm afraid.  Basset horns go down to low C.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 07, 2017, 09:07:16 AM
You're wrong there I'm afraid.  Basset horns go down to low C.
Alright, got me there, looks like both the basset clarinet and horn go to low C.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 07, 2017, 09:20:31 AM
Due to the lack of any low C extension, I'm fairly confident that it's a tenor clarinet, as seen here:
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: bbrandha on April 09, 2017, 10:07:34 AM
Look at all of the rollers and doodads on this one. Shiny, too!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-SONOROUS-CLASS-HAWKES-SON-LONDON-6777-Wooden-Clarinet-/142318620618?hash=item2122d9cfca:g:m5oAAOSwWxNYznKf
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 09, 2017, 11:35:04 AM
Look at all of the rollers and doodads on this one. Shiny, too!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-SONOROUS-CLASS-HAWKES-SON-LONDON-6777-Wooden-Clarinet-/142318620618?hash=item2122d9cfca:g:m5oAAOSwWxNYznKf
Wow. The key system is too simple to have rollers, and yet is has more rollers than it should...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 09, 2017, 12:05:28 PM
That is so rare, beautiful, etc. that I could not resist borrowing a few shots and giving the seller some free advertising. Perhaps we can excuse my behavior based on the viewing pleasure factor?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 09, 2017, 02:24:10 PM
Who are we to admonish such an altruistic act?
 ;)
(By gum, that's gorgious!)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 09, 2017, 04:49:10 PM
By rare coincidence earlier I was browsing an online museum and saw a couple of boxwood clarinets from 1830 with roller keys.  ???

Who'd have thunk that existed then? There was also some discussion en Française that appeared to concern the development of these. Perhaps patents, cost, difficulty of manufacture, or for another reason these were not popular until much later.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on April 09, 2017, 06:25:20 PM
That is so rare, beautiful, etc. that I could not resist borrowing a few shots and giving the seller some free advertising. Perhaps we can excuse my behavior based on the viewing pleasure factor?

Based on the pure elegance of that particular instrument, your behavior has been excused.
In fact, I have once again clicked on the "applaud" button.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 09, 2017, 06:35:24 PM
Bbrandha deserves the applause, I just swiped the photos from the link she posted. So now we got 'em! 8)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: bbrandha on April 09, 2017, 07:17:25 PM
I want it. Sigh.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: bbrandha on April 09, 2017, 08:16:07 PM
I've never heard of "Sonorous" clarinets before, but here's another. Very different but still odd. And someone cut it in two.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wooden-Clarinet-EXCELSIOR-SONOROUS-CLASS-HAWKES-SON-LONDON-circa-1923-/182519630138?hash=item2a7f04893a:g:T4sAAOSww3tY5w7g
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 09, 2017, 09:03:39 PM
I've never heard of "Sonorous" clarinets before, but here's another. Very different but still odd. And someone cut it in two.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wooden-Clarinet-EXCELSIOR-SONOROUS-CLASS-HAWKES-SON-LONDON-circa-1923-/182519630138?hash=item2a7f04893a:g:T4sAAOSww3tY5w7g
I really can't explain the cut in the barrel...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on April 10, 2017, 12:43:05 PM
I've never heard of "Sonorous" clarinets before, but here's another. Very different but still odd. And someone cut it in two.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wooden-Clarinet-EXCELSIOR-SONOROUS-CLASS-HAWKES-SON-LONDON-circa-1923-/182519630138?hash=item2a7f04893a:g:T4sAAOSww3tY5w7g
I really can't explain the cut in the barrel...

Clearly it's a retired (demilled) military clarinet.  Wouldn't want something like that to injure someone!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 10, 2017, 04:40:31 PM
I've never heard of "Sonorous" clarinets before, but here's another. Very different but still odd. And someone cut it in two.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Wooden-Clarinet-EXCELSIOR-SONOROUS-CLASS-HAWKES-SON-LONDON-circa-1923-/182519630138?hash=item2a7f04893a:g:T4sAAOSww3tY5w7g
I really can't explain the cut in the barrel...

Was somebody going to band it and stopped?  Nah, looks like the sections were cut and clocked from each other-maybe there is a metal sleeve hiding in there now...  Hawkes and Sons Excelsior Sonorous Class instruments come up regularly, but not in Boehm system.  Maybe the first I've seen?  Given that the bell isn't original and there are some very dodgy hacks,  I wouldn't give them $45, let alone $450.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on April 11, 2017, 03:51:37 AM
Another clinton system with "too many" rollers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Antique-blackwood-Clarinet-with-Rollers-/162428347752?hash=item25d17be568:g:Gc4AAOSwRH5XJ61E
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 11, 2017, 08:13:31 AM
Another clinton system with "too many" rollers.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Antique-blackwood-Clarinet-with-Rollers-/162428347752?hash=item25d17be568:g:Gc4AAOSwRH5XJ61E
Pretty cool. I've never been a fan of rollers myself, I tend to "roll" off the keys a bit too easily for my liking...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 11, 2017, 08:57:29 PM
I personally love rollers, if they are well conceived, and aid in rapid toggling.  Not all do.  That is certainly more rollers than I have ever seen on a clarinet...kinda ridiculous...rollers to a spec key?  Why?
It's a beautiful, uncommon, well preserved HP Bb though, (despite the fact that the seller has it listed as a LP A, which it is most certainly not)
Any solid guesses as to the unused route-out below the wrap around speaker-vent touch?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 13, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-F-LaVesta-Wood-Bb-Clarinet-Paris-w-U-S-Military-Case-Parts-or-Repair-/302282395416?hash=item46616f4f18%3Ag%3ADI8AAOSwAANY6Qg2&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac38a507c-207a-11e7-98fd-74dbd180f6a1%257Cparentrq%253A68ab9f1015b0a60cd80f55d1fffd22c2%257Ciid%253A1

F. LaVesta Paris- Huh? Looks like a Martin Freres interpretation of a Kohlert?  Is that a short/shortened barrel for pitch purposes or more like a German clarinet with a longer upper joint?

Bidding is brisk already on this gold plated, double walled metal "armored" C. G. Conn.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Conn-624NB-Clarinet-With-Case-L-K-/142345973632?hash=item21247b2f80%3Ag%3AwY8AAOSwmgJY7WKl&_trkparms=pageci%253A77904176-207e-11e7-b2d7-74dbd1a0979a%257Cparentrq%253A68c3e45815b0a786c35bc4dbfffdb1a4%257Ciid%253A1
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 13, 2017, 02:45:55 PM
http://m.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-F-LaVesta-Wood-Bb-Clarinet-Paris-w-U-S-Military-Case-Parts-or-Repair-/302282395416?hash=item46616f4f18%3Ag%3ADI8AAOSwAANY6Qg2&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac38a507c-207a-11e7-98fd-74dbd180f6a1%257Cparentrq%253A68ab9f1015b0a60cd80f55d1fffd22c2%257Ciid%253A1

F. LaVesta Paris- Huh? Looks like a Martin Freres interpretation of a Kohlert?  Is that a short/shortened barrel for pitch purposes or more like a German clarinet with a longer upper joint?

Bidding is brisk already on this gold plated, double walled metal "armored" C. G. Conn.
http://m.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Conn-624NB-Clarinet-With-Case-L-K-/142345973632?hash=item21247b2f80%3Ag%3AwY8AAOSwmgJY7WKl&_trkparms=pageci%253A77904176-207e-11e7-b2d7-74dbd1a0979a%257Cparentrq%253A68c3e45815b0a786c35bc4dbfffdb1a4%257Ciid%253A1
I have never seen a Conn double walled Boehm.
I remember, once long ago an Albert double wall sold for just around $200, and of course, I missed it..
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 13, 2017, 07:56:27 PM
I believe this is the type that's hard rubber inside the walls!  Pretty crazy and rare,  they show up at auction every few years or so...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on April 14, 2017, 05:53:19 AM
What do you think the extra keys with the LaVesta are for?  There's no photo of the left side of the upper joint which would seem to be the only place the long one could go.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 14, 2017, 06:42:00 AM
What do you think the extra keys with the LaVesta are for?  There's no photo of the left side of the upper joint which would seem to be the only place the long one could go.
  That's  just an extra side key for an Albert system - I think the same seller had one but I don't  recall if it was missing a key.   Maybe it was intended as scrap to use as repair for the broken C#/G#, which is for this one.   Also, notice how close together the RH1 and RH2 tone holes are- is this in relation to a large bore size? The less than 180 degree wrap register key makes me think of Kohlert or other Germanic origins.  That's what made me think perhaps it wasn't  just a short barrel to compensate for pitch,  but maybe the upper joint is longer as is the German fashion. Can't find much at all about F. LaVesta at all.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 14, 2017, 08:13:57 PM
F. Lavesta is a curious one.  ??? If it didn't have that key repair issue, which needs a flat spring and a custom key fitting, it might be interesting at the ask price.

I really wish the Lavesta seller had a close up of the mark on the UJ. I have some suspicion that the name might have been misread. It is hard to make it out on the photo of the bell. Noting the metal bearing at the C#, it is missing the flat spring I think? That gives us a little more to go on. It has a C# flat spring and a flat spring at RH5, as well as the side register vent, and there is the trill guide(s);- similar to Kohlert and Harry Pedler, but it certainly seems like neither of those. There are other quirks in the key shapes that also stand out. The wood is so black that it looks like it might be dyed. I have noticed that many German clarinets are very uniformly black like that. I might send the seller a question about the country of origin or serial marks. I know it says Paris, but I'd like to see the "made in" markings.

While the case is definitely vintage, I have doubts about it being original. I have seen several identical cases marked US that contained Penzel Mueller Brilliante models, so no help from the case type. Those cases are plausibly Korean War era, and that doesn't fit with those flat spring locations.

With that unusual tonehole spacing on the lower joint, I am guessing the tone hole sizes were adjusted to tune it so it could be spaced like that. Of all the quirks, that one is probably the most significant. I'm just speculating, but I think it might be German or Czech made. One very good clarinet history site I visited and now can't find again associated side register vents with German designs. It doesn't have the coat hook thumb rest like many German clarinets, but some of the other features certainly suggest a German maker.

Perhaps if we watch some of these international listings we will spot a match for it. I'm still finding matches for twins from a Czech mystery maker that only have serials and country of origin marks. I've spotted two others now, one marked Grenadier (no help because there are Grenadier Bettoney metal stencils and Pruefer Silver throat Grenadier stencils) and another marked Pierre Dumont.

There's little meaning in a French sounding name apparently. Also I did not find a French translation for "La vesta". The translation software detects Spanish.  :o  Know any Spanish clarinet makers? ???
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 14, 2017, 08:31:56 PM
Probably correct on the German or Czech made.  I am always hesitant because there is the chance it's a Gebruder Moennig... :'(
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 14, 2017, 08:33:02 PM
I have spent a few hours examining keywork, and I see lots of cross-continental similarities, but nothing that links it to a direct manufacturer or continent.  I see a blend of many concepts, here.

Did you notice the A/G# cluster without the adjustment screw?  That's a transitional design, which likely puts this early into the ought years of the 20th century.  Every manufacturer quickly realized that an an adjustment screw was invaluable at setting precise pitch through the throat notes by 1920.  I'm no expert on clarinets made between 1890 and 1920, but I am learning.

Distinct, leaf-like pinky keys look Pedler-esque, but that can't be right...or could it?  You say you believe the bore has a hard rubber liner?  That would be interesting, and entirely unusual.  That should be a dead give-away if that is, in fact the case.  Moreover, it has very nicely sculpted "skeleton-finger" key cup arms, like a good majority of Couesnon's offerings.

I'll gladly own it if I'm wrong for the education alone, but I don't see Germany or Bohemia when I look at this.  I suppose it could be, but there were other manufacturers who ran long in the top joint, and relied upon short barrels for correct regulation.

This is an interesting one...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 14, 2017, 08:44:36 PM
This is a very rare Bettoney 3-star plateau model. I picked up one of these a while back re-padded with some kind of squishy pads I don't like, but otherwise it is a very easy player and played in tune with my bandmate's concertina. It does have one open hole on the upper and it is designed for beginning players. You can see that the G# touch is elongated and a few other keys are altered for closer reaches by smaller hands. Even with my large hands it was still very easy to play. This listing reports composite, but I think the one I have is hard rubber. I had to do some regulating on various cork shims;- it is more like a sax or a flute in that regard. Also there is a rod in tube mechanism that allows the LJ side key to be moved to the other side. On mine, that mechanism depends on a friction fit of the rod on the tub and it had developed some slipping. The best fix would be a pin through the rod and tube, similar to the way many flute keys are pinned. The bids are headed skyward on this one, but this clarinet is not a "stuffy" playing plateau model. This one is very responsive, very easy playing and has surprisingly good tone. I don't know of another USA maker that made a plateau model, and this one is really sharp looking with great playing ease when set up properly. You can see some good details about the one I handled on the plateau thread. I also found a vintage ad describing it, probably posted that also.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302277691368?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 14, 2017, 09:01:41 PM
I have spent a few hours examining keywork, and I see lots of cross-continental similarities, but nothing that links it to a direct manufacturer or continent.  I see a blend of many concepts, here.

Did you notice the A/G# cluster without the adjustment screw?  That's a transitional design, which likely puts this early into the ought years of the 20th century.  Every manufacturer quickly realized that an an adjustment screw was invaluable at setting precise pitch through the throat notes by 1920.  I'm no expert on clarinets made between 1890 and 1920, but I am learning.

Distinct, leaf-like pinky keys look Pedler-esque, but that can't be right...or could it?  You say you believe the bore has a hard rubber liner?  That would be interesting, and entirely unusual.  That should be a dead give-away if that is, in fact the case.  Moreover, it has very nicely sculpted "skeleton-finger" key cup arms, like a good majority of Couesnon's offerings.

I'll gladly own it if I'm wrong for the education alone, but I don't see Germany or Bohemia when I look at this.  I suppose it could be, but there were other manufacturers who ran long in the top joint, and relied upon short barrels for correct regulation.

This is an interesting one...

I think the one referred to that might have the hard rubber bore liner was the metal Conn model? Robert Malerne Standards did not get the adjustment key at G#/A until some time into the post WW2 era between A882 and A5001 serials. It's pretty easy to accomplish the same adjustment with a cork shim and careful pad thickness choice. It would be very odd to find even a pro model clarinet with those two flat spring locations that had a screw at G#/A. I'd call something like that a custom job if I saw it, and it might be a common custom job.  There is nothing that I see that suggests the F. Lavesta is a Harry Pedler stencil. The only thing it has in common is the trill type, but not the same location.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 14, 2017, 09:34:54 PM
I sent the seller of the F. Lavesta a question about country of origin marks and serials. Maybe they can take a second look at it and fill in the blanks.

I have generally been regulating the intonation of the G#/A pair by setting the open pad clearances with cork stops behind the touches. As far as I knew, the adjustment screw was used to synchronize the two keys so that actuating A simultaneously opens G# without any delay in action. I didn't know the screw was important for intonation adjustment, but you learn something new every day.  :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 14, 2017, 10:07:55 PM
I found that web page that discusses the register vent locations.  :)  I had to wade through my reading list in Safari. I forgot it was all in French. It's talking about 19th century English models compared to French and German model clarinets. It's in French, but this is what the translation software output gives:

"The register hole (12th / register key) is open on the top and not underneath (French model) or on the side (German model). This opening on the top is the invention of the Simiot factor in Lyon at the beginning of the XIXth century in order to avoid the clogging of the orifice by water or saliva. Although abandoned on French models, this key on the top is also found on clarinets intended for the American and Belgian markets of the early twentieth century."

This is from an online woodwind museum site, clariboles-et-cie. Given that information, the F. LaVesta certainly looks to fit the profile of a late 19th century German Boehm clarinet, French name notwithstanding. Hopefully nothing was lost in the translation.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 14, 2017, 11:30:24 PM
The seller of the F. LaVesta replied to my question!  PM me for the answer.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 15, 2017, 07:32:55 AM
I have spent a few hours examining keywork, and I see lots of cross-continental similarities, but nothing that links it to a direct manufacturer or continent.  I see a blend of many concepts, here.

Did you notice the A/G# cluster without the adjustment screw?  That's a transitional design, which likely puts this early into the ought years of the 20th century.  Every manufacturer quickly realized that an an adjustment screw was invaluable at setting precise pitch through the throat notes by 1920.  I'm no expert on clarinets made between 1890 and 1920, but I am learning.

Distinct, leaf-like pinky keys look Pedler-esque, but that can't be right...or could it?  You say you believe the bore has a hard rubber liner?  That would be interesting, and entirely unusual.  That should be a dead give-away if that is, in fact the case.  Moreover, it has very nicely sculpted "skeleton-finger" key cup arms, like a good majority of Couesnon's offerings.

I'll gladly own it if I'm wrong for the education alone, but I don't see Germany or Bohemia when I look at this.  I suppose it could be, but there were other manufacturers who ran long in the top joint, and relied upon short barrels for correct regulation.

This is an interesting one...

I think the one referred to that might have the hard rubber bore liner was the metal Conn model? Robert Malerne Standards did not get the adjustment key at G#/A until some time into the post WW2 era between A882 and A5001 serials. It's pretty easy to accomplish the same adjustment with a cork shim and careful pad thickness choice. It would be very odd to find even a pro model clarinet with those two flat spring locations that had a screw at G#/A. I'd call something like that a custom job if I saw it, and it might be a common custom job.  There is nothing that I see that suggests the F. Lavesta is a Harry Pedler stencil. The only thing it has in common is the trill type, but not the same location.

The Conn I believe has hard rubber encapsulated by the double metal walls, hence the "armored" nickname.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 15, 2017, 09:21:29 AM
I sent the seller of the F. Lavesta a question about country of origin marks and serials. Maybe they can take a second look at it and fill in the blanks.

I have generally been regulating the intonation of the G#/A pair by setting the open pad clearances with cork stops behind the touches. As far as I knew, the adjustment screw was used to synchronize the two keys so that actuating A simultaneously opens G# without any delay in action. I didn't know the screw was important for intonation adjustment, but you learn something new every day.  :)

I too had no idea that it did anything else until recently.  I sat at the bench of my local tech a few months ago, and he explained its two-fold purpose.  Good for shaving or adding a cent or two, depending upon design.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 15, 2017, 11:35:15 AM
I'm kinda in love with this one, not normally my style, but this is so neat- Mueller/simple system C with integrated barrel, salt spoon pad cups in black wood with nickel silver keys:

http://m.ebay.fr/itm/clarinette-en-ut-13-cles-/222470724021?hash=item33cc49d9b5%3Ag%3A-ccAAOSwTuJYwB0G&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac4d3bc1b-2209-11e7-9f5b-74dbd180cf84%257Cparentrq%253A72e2870c15b0a2a4e49519a7fff4734a%257Ciid%253A1
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 15, 2017, 11:44:36 AM
Regarding the G#/A tuning;- it makes sense now that it's in front of me. The G# clearance is set by the bump on the G# touch, but the A is tuned by the combination of the two clearances added together. So the screw can tweak the A by varying the G# clearance. The G# is straight forward, but the A is more complicated and involves the bumper on the A touch and also tweaking how much the G# opens via the screw. That would involve a bit of juggling to optimize the arrangement and I think it could still be done with a cork in place of the screw, but a screw would make it much less of a pain to deal with.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on April 15, 2017, 07:38:57 PM
I'm kinda in love with this one, not normally my style, but this is so neat- Mueller/simple system C with integrated barrel, salt spoon pad cups in black wood with nickel silver keys:

http://m.ebay.fr/itm/clarinette-en-ut-13-cles-/222470724021?hash=item33cc49d9b5%3Ag%3A-ccAAOSwTuJYwB0G&_trkparms=pageci%253Ac4d3bc1b-2209-11e7-9f5b-74dbd180cf84%257Cparentrq%253A72e2870c15b0a2a4e49519a7fff4734a%257Ciid%253A1

Yes, that does look elegant.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 15, 2017, 07:54:25 PM
Here's the first integrated bell oboe I've ever seen
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Late-19th-Century-Eugene-Albert-Oboe-/252864978652?hash=item3adfed5edc:g:EMcAAOSwSlBY4U3l
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 16, 2017, 07:25:47 PM
I'm plugging this one because I have one that matches all the details on the bell of this one and it is undoubtedly one of the finest French clarinets I ever lucked into. And I am pretty sure the seller of this one is one of our members  ;) -and he's not really tooting his horn on this one so I will. It's a JTL Legion D'honneur model, the very top JTL model of it's day (Modernicus has a Verney model of it as well).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302280308187?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

There are a few things that make these stand out in the crowd of fine French clarinets. The wood is either the tightest darkest grenadilla or more plausibly ebony (ebene in the 1902 JTL catalog). Typically the bells are somewhat lighter, giving these a distinctive two-toned look that has been copied over the decades by many makers by choosing light grenadilla for the bell wood. It is my theory (can't prove it) that the body and barrel is ebony and only the bell grenadilla on the Legion D'honneur models. Keys are hard nickel silver, polish forever, and surprisingly resistant to bending or breaking. They are fitted with a precision that is quite uncommon.

The joints are devoid of serial numbers, any kind of JTL logo, and only have the LP and Bb on them and those marks are separated. LP is at the top edge of the upper, Bb is just under the Bb tone hole on the lower. I think JTL wanted the primary marks of the maker on the joints to be the impeccable workmanship and little else. Of course the bell has the company history on it and all elegantly displayed. I'm one of those folks that thinks the BIN on this one is a super good deal for one of these that is play ready.  :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 16, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
I'm plugging this one because I have one that matches all the details on the bell of this one and it is undoubtedly one of the finest French clarinets I ever lucked into. And I am pretty sure the seller of this one is one of our members  ;) -and he's not really tooting his horn on this one so I will. It's a JTL Legion D'honneur model, the very top JTL model of it's day (Modernicus has a Verney model of it as well).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/302280308187?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

There are a few things that make these stand out in the crowd of fine French clarinets. The wood is either the tightest darkest grenadilla or more plausibly ebony (ebene in the 1902 JTL catalog). Typically the bells are somewhat lighter, giving these a distinctive two-toned look that has been copied over the decades by many makers by choosing light grenadilla for the bell wood. It is my theory (can't prove it) that the body and barrel is ebony and only the bell grenadilla on the Legion D'honneur models. Keys are hard nickel silver, polish forever, and surprisingly resistant to bending or breaking. They are fitted with a precision that is quite uncommon.

The joints are devoid of serial numbers, any kind of JTL logo, and only have the LP and Bb on them and those marks are separated. LP is at the top edge of the upper, Bb is just under the Bb tone hole on the lower. I think JTL wanted the primary marks of the maker on the joints to be the impeccable workmanship and little else. Of course the bell has the company history on it and all elegantly displayed. I'm one of those folks that thinks the BIN on this one is a super good deal for one of these that is play ready.  :)
I've always wanted to gild a long logo like that. Previously the most detailed one I've done is the bell on a Kohlert oboe, with all those medallions and stuff. Some gold in that bell could do it good
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on April 17, 2017, 12:27:49 PM
Ooooh that's pretty.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 18, 2017, 08:01:32 PM
Aah...The Great Benefactor strikes again!
I would like to see a BIN price on that at $425.00.
I would then consider it an absolute steal, and a quality restorer appropriately compensated for his craft and time.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 24, 2017, 05:44:24 PM
Too much good stuff right now, can't  even decide which deals to go for! :o.  Spring cleaning, flea markets?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on April 24, 2017, 06:12:52 PM
Too much good stuff right now, can't  even decide which deals to go for! :o.  Spring cleaning, flea markets?

And always in the reverse order of how badly I want it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 24, 2017, 06:42:58 PM
Well, try not to drool too much;-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-Bb-Clarinet-STRASSER-LEMAIRE-made-in-France/222363988258?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3D179d45f11b394e5886b28a7663d96acf%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D332176930366
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 24, 2017, 07:02:39 PM
Well, try not to drool too much;-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-Bb-Clarinet-STRASSER-LEMAIRE-made-in-France/222363988258?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3D179d45f11b394e5886b28a7663d96acf%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D332176930366
What the heck is a "Pennsylvania" branded (huh?) mouthpiece doing in Lithuania? ???
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 24, 2017, 07:53:16 PM
Lithuania, oh yeah. 8)

That is the land of faerie tales, castles, and princesses;- that play this bizarre and really cool thing called a kankles. It looks like the harp out of a small piano and you play it laying across your lap. I know this really good reason to go at least from Philadelphia to Lithuania that played one of those sooooo well. Perhaps the mouthpiece became entranced by the magical kankles and just had to be there? But I digress.

You see a good number of SML clarinets, but I've not seen one like this very often. The pads are not "perfect" as stated, at least not that top throat trill. Pads could be replaced. I think maybe what I like best about the listing is the photographs. These photos really show that clarinet off. It might not sound as good as the photos look, but it certainly has visual appeal.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 26, 2017, 08:17:45 PM
Who's stencil is this one?   Curious, and in need of a lot of love, but lovely to look at, just the same...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/192166123139?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on April 27, 2017, 08:10:43 AM
Who's stencil is this one?   Curious, and in need of a lot of love, but lovely to look at, just the same...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/192166123139?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
If that's not a maker, then I'll throw out Margueritat or A. Lecomte in speculation (if those are even makers).
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 27, 2017, 11:56:41 AM
Who's stencil is this one?   Curious, and in need of a lot of love, but lovely to look at, just the same...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/192166123139?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

The most similar clarinet I have seen is marked "F. Delarue & Cie / Paris / Ne Plus Ultra" Distinguishing characteristics are the broad bell ring and the shapes of the RH5 keys. The F. (François) Delarue is a busted relic of an A clarinet I have. This Mercardier is a HP Bb. There are striking similarities. Note that there is also a similar finish wearing off of both of these.

 Rumor  ;) has it that F. Delarue was a maker named François Delarue, active perhaps until the mid 1920's. I'm not saying that these are both from the same maker, just that there are striking similarities that aren't that common on other makes. I have also seen later F. Delarue clarinets that are different and appear to be stencils made by another maker who has not been determined.

100 years from now, F. Delarue will be presumed to be a maker of 21st C. decorative lamps....
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on April 27, 2017, 06:11:47 PM
Thanks for the info, guys.  This is a nice looking clarinet with trills that look a bit clumsy, but are impressive in stature, and representative of early work.  The rest of the horn is certainly graceful and simple (and "well enjoyed") but well conceived, it seems.

"100 years from now, F. Delarue will be presumed to be a maker of 21st C. decorative lamps.."

By gum, not if we have anything to say about it, it won't! :(
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 28, 2017, 09:10:29 AM
I probably will not let the Delarue become a lamp. A clarinets are pretty rare and it is likely that another similar clarinet might appear that needs keys or other parts and the Delarue keys are all there. The lower joint is the only wood part that is in good shape. The bell has a hideous crack repair, barrel is missing, the upper joint has the crudest splice repair I've seen and it probably never worked or played well after the repair attempt.

That Mercadier, stencil or not, is a very good restoration candidate and I anticipate that the bids will likely go a good bit higher. Because of the similarities to the Delarue, it is tempting, but I probably will let it get away. There was another unmarked clarinet that was quite similar to these two that was subject of a thread on the BB. It had the same bell ring and lower joint keys. I suspect that there was only one maker of these but which maker these belongs to is a question that needs more examples.

-And then there is this workshop, a contemporary maker and restorer;- I think it's the same fellow that was in that video on the lowest to highest in the clarinet family: http://cyrillemercadier.com/clarinette.html

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on April 28, 2017, 09:26:47 AM
I saw this one, a kind of benign Franken-France-stencil, and what catches my eye most is that the photos allow for an assignment to the maker, which is early LeBlanc era D. Noblet. The trills and serialization, all details of the keys, point to D. Noblet. This one is a great restoration opportunity and the joints and keys are very clean, look well maintained. The B&H bell could be easily replaced but is no big deal. The hard rubber barrel is mostly plausibly original.

This is quite similar to my Raymond Paris which also has an original hard rubber barrel and is a really sweet playing clarinet with the tonal character we associate with the French sound of that era;- medium to smaller bore. It's something like a Selmer K series clarinet and has a beautiful and melodic voice, inspires good improvisations and intonation is very good in ensemble situations.

This one is definitely an opportunity even though it probably needs pads and set up and might benefit from a better bell match. I like a vintage Noblet rubber 2V MP on the Raymond Paris and these are periodically available at reasonable prices.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-RENE-DUMONT-Paris-WOOD-Bb-Clarinet/152521357523?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3D115151e3e8c04e3dbe4af89f7392ab65%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D371928807964
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on May 01, 2017, 08:12:59 PM
This is a good price for a Nuvo Clarineo.

My only complaint is that the thumb rest's crook is too heavily crooked so that my thumb wouldn't fit.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nuvo-Clarineo-/142368810830?hash=item2125d7a74e:g:~loAAOSwc-tY4nIo
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on May 02, 2017, 02:20:58 AM
Here's an unusual one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/192173331290?ul_noapp=true

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on May 02, 2017, 07:12:37 AM
Here's an unusual one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/192173331290?ul_noapp=true

Wow, that's some crazy stuff!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on May 02, 2017, 08:18:34 AM
Here's an unusual one.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/192173331290?ul_noapp=true

Whoa! That's a nice lookin' bass  8)

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/59b3e4811b73bfe8f5290e4609d06ea0/tumblr_nm3zxr6yRL1tbqhrmo6_400.gif)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on May 02, 2017, 09:59:53 AM
Before they settled on the modern bass shape, they experimented so many times, often with odd results and little success.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on May 07, 2017, 10:30:59 PM
Don't think I've ever seen an Albert with this many bells and whistles.
What's it called... Fully Extreme Albert?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-GERMAN-G-H-HULLER-CLARINET-B880-rare/272656437465?_trksid=p2055119.c100022.m2048&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122153519%26meid%3Dc83ff50f3bbb4bb0a5eab1bf4ac7ee1e%26pid%3D100022%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D222495195609
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on May 07, 2017, 10:50:11 PM
Oh, boy--Dave.  That's super fancy.  Agreed.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on May 08, 2017, 09:36:56 AM
Don't think I've ever seen an Albert with this many bells and whistles.
What's it called... Fully Extreme Albert?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-GERMAN-G-H-HULLER-CLARINET-B880-rare/272656437465?_trksid=p2055119.c100022.m2048&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122153519%26meid%3Dc83ff50f3bbb4bb0a5eab1bf4ac7ee1e%26pid%3D100022%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D222495195609

More along the path of Oehler or modern German system...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on May 14, 2017, 09:27:08 AM
Is this a pair of B-flat (Albert system) instruments or is it a La/Sib pair?

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/2-Clarinets-in-Case-39540388.html (https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/2-Clarinets-in-Case-39540388.html)

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on May 14, 2017, 10:07:44 AM
Is this a pair of B-flat instruments or is it a La/Sib pair?

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/2-Clarinets-in-Case-39540388.html (https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/2-Clarinets-in-Case-39540388.html)

I think that is a Bb/A set.   I don't believe they assembled them correctly- the bottom joints look switched?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on May 16, 2017, 02:12:36 PM
Here is an unusual, very nice late Albert, circa 1900 (I believe).  It has a German/Bavarian "coathook" thumbrest, and lots of roller sliver keys!  I'd like to play it, and see how quick it is.  It certainly is unusual, and well preserved.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Albert-System-Clarinet-Wood/112404372605?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3Dca12fefb6f3443d8ac3e0530f725a581%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D172672108220
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on May 16, 2017, 07:17:05 PM
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/1760s-1770s-Ludwig-Copper-Cowbell-39701125.html

It's not a clarinet, and not eBay, but how often does a pre revolutionary war cowbell from Ludwig in Chicago come along?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on May 16, 2017, 08:16:11 PM
7 bucks?!  Buy it, Mechanic!  I'm calling CS on the claim that it's from 1760-1770, because Chicago was not even settled until the 1780s and not incorporated until 1833, but still-it's really old.
Just think; you could tie it round your neck and run through your yard yelling "moo" at the top of your lungs, neighbors be darned!  That'd be a fun time for sure, and that bell has to be a lot easier to tune than a clarinet from the same time period!
  ;D
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on May 17, 2017, 01:33:00 AM
The Ludwig Drum Company was established in 1909.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on May 17, 2017, 03:48:19 AM
7 bucks?!  Buy it, Mechanic!  I'm calling CS on the claim that it's from 1760-1770, because Chicago was not even settled until the 1780s and not incorporated until 1833, but still-it's really old.
Just think; you could tie it round your neck and run through your yard yelling "moo" at the top of your lungs, neighbors be darned!  That'd be a fun time for sure, and that bell has to be a lot easier to tune than a clarinet from the same time period!
  ;D

In my neighborhood, we call that Tuesday afternoon.  Although, being Indiana, there are usually fireworks involved as well.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on May 17, 2017, 01:51:02 PM
BUAHAHAHA!
 ;D
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on May 18, 2017, 05:39:36 PM
Wish I had the scratch for this- Couesnon Monopole with some interesting keywork.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/282477282022



Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on May 18, 2017, 06:24:26 PM
Wish I had the scratch for this- Couesnon Monopole with some interesting keywork.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/282477282022

Cool, is that a little roller on the G# ?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on May 18, 2017, 06:55:31 PM
This shows that the value of 200+ year-old clarinets, despite their sad states, is on the rebound.  I, for one, am very pleased to see this.  I could not I.D. that manufacturer of this one, but estimate it at between 1785-1820, at the very latest.  It's complete, and hopefully the buyer can put it back into good sort, and fabricate the missing key, as surely it will be nearly impossible to find.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-wooden-clarinet-for-parts-or-repair-/262984010562?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=FXL5kYhGoKBkGUdvDATLL7ubZVA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on May 18, 2017, 06:55:55 PM
Wish I had the scratch for this- Couesnon Monopole with some interesting keywork.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/282477282022

Cool, is that a little roller on the G# ?

I think so,  but the upper joint has some even more interesting stuff going on!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on May 18, 2017, 06:57:45 PM
Gorgious piece, there!

Wish I had the scratch for this- Couesnon Monopole with some interesting keywork.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/282477282022
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on May 18, 2017, 07:04:49 PM
This shows that the value of 200+ year-old clarinets, despite their sad states, is on the rebound.  I, for one, am very pleased to see this.  I could not I.D. that manufacturer of this one, but estimate it at between 1785-1820, at the very latest.  It's complete, and hopefully the buyer can put it back into good sort, and fabricate the missing key, as surely it will be nearly impossible to find.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-wooden-clarinet-for-parts-or-repair-/262984010562?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=FXL5kYhGoKBkGUdvDATLL7ubZVA%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc

So many clarinets were made, it's insane.  This keeps the values from getting very high, unless it's some combination of rare, good condition, recognized maker, interesting, and in the right place.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on May 19, 2017, 07:32:32 AM
There were so many musical instruments of every kind made that if these were properly maintained instead of discarded, there might not ever be a demand for new ones. That is unless some brilliant new feature is developed, or a series of brilliant new features developed, or the pitch standard is changed arbitrarily.

In the period prior to 1940, it can easily be argued that the pace of technological innovation produced a markedly better clarinet, or at least a more playable clarinet and one that might be tuned using an electronic derivation of pitches using the 12th root of two calculated to six decimals. It did not however result in better overall craftsmanship. For those who have removed a pivot rod from an instrument built in 1900 and a pivot rod from an instrument built in 2000, it is easily concluded that a durable pivot rod with a screw slot wide enough to accomplish adequate torque is a thing of the past. Modern pivot rods are so designed and slotted as not to withstand being removed for minor maintenance more than once or twice.

And then there is the material degradation in general;- wood that isn't aged and seasoned properly;- short sticks that introduce conflicting grain at the sockets, questionable base metal for the keys, even more questionable plating metal. Clarinets, and most other instruments have entered the age of disposability and forced obsolescence.

Also affecting demand for high quality second hand instruments is the "endangered" nature of musicians. The effect of recorded music has resulted in there being far more ill-trained strumming guitardists, but not more musicians in general. This effect was subject of a speech by J.P. Sousa before Congress when he presumed to have influence. Sousa's prediction was correct. Saturation of the public spaces with muzak has greatly reduced the inclination of the public to arrange live public performance for pay, or to even learn to play an instrument or even to sing. Before recorded music, the only way to hear music was for someone to be playing it. The proportion of musicians playing live was directly proportional to the amount of music heard. It was the only way to hear it. So you either paid musicians or became an amateur musician if you wanted to hear any music. Today, recorded music is the norm. The soundtrack is perfectly tuned. And what you hear that you might think is a clarinet could be some electronically generated sound from an app on an iPad.

That is a very gorgeous Couesnon. And I will always maintain that a selling price is an indication of worth. It is also an indication of a value system warped by mass media and pervasive conditioning that new is always better and old is for museums only. I have to live with the reality of the "worth" of such an instrument, but I don't have to accept the warped values that are evidenced by the selling prices.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on May 20, 2017, 06:03:01 PM
There were so many musical instruments of every kind made that if these were properly maintained instead of discarded, there might not ever be a demand for new ones. That is unless some brilliant new feature is developed, or a series of brilliant new features developed, or the pitch standard is changed arbitrarily.

In the period prior to 1940, it can easily be argued that the pace of technological innovation produced a markedly better clarinet, or at least a more playable clarinet and one that might be tuned using an electronic derivation of pitches using the 12th root of two calculated to six decimals. It did not however result in better overall craftsmanship. For those who have removed a pivot rod from an instrument built in 1900 and a pivot rod from an instrument built in 2000, it is easily concluded that a durable pivot rod with a screw slot wide enough to accomplish adequate torque is a thing of the past. Modern pivot rods are so designed and slotted as not to withstand being removed for minor maintenance more than once or twice.

And then there is the material degradation in general;- wood that isn't aged and seasoned properly;- short sticks that introduce conflicting grain at the sockets, questionable base metal for the keys, even more questionable plating metal. Clarinets, and most other instruments have entered the age of disposability and forced obsolescence.

Also affecting demand for high quality second hand instruments is the "endangered" nature of musicians. The effect of recorded music has resulted in there being far more ill-trained strumming guitardists, but not more musicians in general. This effect was subject of a speech by J.P. Sousa before Congress when he presumed to have influence. Sousa's prediction was correct. Saturation of the public spaces with muzak has greatly reduced the inclination of the public to arrange live public performance for pay, or to even learn to play an instrument or even to sing. Before recorded music, the only way to hear music was for someone to be playing it. The proportion of musicians playing live was directly proportional to the amount of music heard. It was the only way to hear it. So you either paid musicians or became an amateur musician if you wanted to hear any music. Today, recorded music is the norm. The soundtrack is perfectly tuned. And what you hear that you might think is a clarinet could be some electronically generated sound from an app on an iPad.

That is a very gorgeous Couesnon. And I will always maintain that a selling price is an indication of worth. It is also an indication of a value system warped by mass media and pervasive conditioning that new is always better and old is for museums only. I have to live with the reality of the "worth" of such an instrument, but I don't have to accept the warped values that are evidenced by the selling prices.

Well said!  I see selling prices like this incredible Couesnon and I am just floored. I echo that the aesthetic, musical, and historical value are being essentially given away or discarded as part of a distorted value system, compared to what it should be.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on May 21, 2017, 05:02:49 PM

That is a very gorgeous Couesnon. And I will always maintain that a selling price is an indication of worth. It is also an indication of a value system warped by mass media and pervasive conditioning that new is always better and old is for museums only. I have to live with the reality of the "worth" of such an instrument, but I don't have to accept the warped values that are evidenced by the selling prices.

Reminds me of when I picked up a musty, dusty, tarnished and oil starved Noblet 40 for my son.  I showed it to him before I had a chance to clean, oil and pad it.  He took one look at it and with a smart-ass grin says "You know, I'm in band and we like shiny stuff."  Turns out, it cleaned up nicely and is his favorite clarinet.  Unfortunately, that shiny stuff attitude is all over the place.  They played once in front of the school board.  The schools old bari-sax is kind of dull looking, but sounds beautiful.  One of the board members thought they should spend part of their budget on a new, shinier one.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on May 22, 2017, 08:06:32 AM
That attitude toward later and shinier on the part of a school board is how I wound up with a late 1920s Harry Pedler rosewood bass clarinet. It was liquidated school inventory. It needed a good technician, but the instrument was not obsolete or poor quality and it didn't take much work to make it shine. The plating on the keys has some wear but the bass metal is nickel-silver and can be brought to match the plating. I guess that is what we must do;- make sure all the used student instruments are polished to look new.
Title: A clarinet cornucopia!
Post by: Windsong on May 25, 2017, 02:11:52 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172682188778?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

For a BIN of half that, I might take a risk.  There are some good pieces in that collection, and just LOOK at that collection of mouthpieces.
Title: Re: A clarinet cornucopia!
Post by: modernicus on May 25, 2017, 06:01:05 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172682188778?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

For a BIN of half that, I might take a risk.  There are some good pieces in that collection, and just LOOK at that collection of mouthpieces.

Boehm C on the far right it looks like...

Pretty good starting price actually, for this pair.   These metal Selmers have only seemed to appreciate sharply over the last 10 or so years I have been looking at clarinets seriously and this is a Bb/A pair of full Boehms!

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Selmer-Silver-Bb-and-A-clarinets-Full-Boehm-system-with-articulated-G-/282491176148?hash=item41c5c944d4%3Ag%3A9NUAAOSw1WJZJOBl&_trkparms=pageci%253A2b50c64e-41b1-11e7-a1ae-74dbd1804045%257Cparentrq%253A4254fc9115c0ab4d2984b6bfffff6d6d%257Ciid%253A1
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on May 25, 2017, 08:20:17 PM
If that is a boehm C, that would be a sweet enhancement.  I still want one.
As for the "selmer sisters", those are magnificent.  A very good introductory price...now where is that rich uncle I heard so much about as a child?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on May 26, 2017, 06:57:00 AM
If that is a boehm C, that would be a sweet enhancement.  I still want one.
As for the "selmer sisters", those are magnificent.  A very good introductory price...now where is that rich uncle I heard so much about as a child?

With the missing barrel and angle,  it's really  hard to tell, might just be a High pitch Bb or something.  Not worth the risk without better comparison photos or measurements.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on May 26, 2017, 11:44:27 AM
Using the cloth for relative length comparisons, one of them is significantly longer than the others.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on May 27, 2017, 05:25:48 PM
Ab sopranino by Oehler anyone?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Unique-German-Ab-Sopranino-Clarinet-by-Oscar-Oehler-Berlin-440Hz-Albert-System-/272655395424?hash=item3f7b872a60%3Ag%3AHzcAAOSwjqVZCTcL&_trkparms=pageci%253Af541ef80-433b-11e7-9068-74dbd18001b5%257Cparentrq%253A4c70464715c0a88f15360081fffebf92%257Ciid%253A1
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on May 27, 2017, 07:20:00 PM
Ab sopranino by Oehler anyone?

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Unique-German-Ab-Sopranino-Clarinet-by-Oscar-Oehler-Berlin-440Hz-Albert-System-/272655395424?hash=item3f7b872a60%3Ag%3AHzcAAOSwjqVZCTcL&_trkparms=pageci%253Af541ef80-433b-11e7-9068-74dbd18001b5%257Cparentrq%253A4c70464715c0a88f15360081fffebf92%257Ciid%253A1
What
The
...
If you had any less keys on that thing it would turn into a chalumeau.
But, it is cheaper than most of the other Abs I've seen so
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on May 27, 2017, 08:34:57 PM
"26 watching"

A record for a clarinet, I think!
Title: Fully restored, "and it actually plays!"
Post by: Windsong on May 28, 2017, 05:38:53 PM
 ;)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1875-Gautrot-Marquet-Bass-Sarrusophone-in-Bb-FULLY-RESTORED/222505794013?_trksid=p2047675.c100010.m2109&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D40130%26meid%3D5e5fd80ebf5e4bb88b7269cd0c20e76a%26pid%3D100010%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D311796937095

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on May 28, 2017, 08:29:11 PM
 8)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Unique-Hungarian-Tarogato-in-A-La-STOWASSER-Borka-J-Taragot-/252961876865?hash=item3ae5b3eb81:g:1nYAAOSw9OFZKpTi
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on May 31, 2017, 03:09:27 AM
8)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Unique-Hungarian-Tarogato-in-A-La-STOWASSER-Borka-J-Taragot-/252961876865?hash=item3ae5b3eb81:g:1nYAAOSw9OFZKpTi

I have a tárogató in A but it's nothing like that one.

I'd be very surprised if it had anything to do with either János Stowasser or József Borka
Title: A great intro into the game...
Post by: Windsong on June 01, 2017, 12:08:45 AM
Likely low-to-mid serial number in overall production, 3rd in line, but nice players.  For anyone looking to get into the game, here is a nice playing line for a parts horn price.  Ask the seller questions about condition, of course, but if it's solid and without issue, this is a steal.  I own one without a scratch (near to this serial number, in fact).  It's solid and dependable, if not terribly exciting.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Pedler-Co-Clarinet-For-Beginners-E16705-/232201186332?hash=item361044ec1c:g:XWEAAOSwZ4dZKJOs
Title: Re: A great intro into the game...
Post by: Airflyte on June 01, 2017, 01:49:49 PM
Likely low-to-mid serial number in overall production, 3rd in line, but nice players.  For anyone looking to get into the game, here is a nice playing line for a parts horn price.  Ask the seller questions about condition, of course, but if it's solid and without issue, this is a steal.  I own one without a scratch (near to this serial number, in fact).  It's solid and dependable, if not terribly exciting.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Pedler-Co-Clarinet-For-Beginners-E16705-/232201186332?hash=item361044ec1c:g:XWEAAOSwZ4dZKJOs

That's an incredible deal for vintage clarinet.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on June 01, 2017, 06:14:41 PM
The key work on the Pedler American is made simpler, but it's a very well made clarinet with good materials. This one has the independent UJ trill pivots like the pro model. I'll bet it plays real easy too. That is certainly a price is right deal. That one looks very clean. I can't tell what the mouthpiece is but the tip and rails look clean on it also. It might need new pads from the outset, but for that price it's hard to go wrong.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 01, 2017, 07:51:16 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Vega-Company-Boston-Eb-Soprano-Clarinet-Case-Needs-Repad-Work-Please-Read-/132212626478?hash=item1ec87c942e:g:u2UAAOSwq1JZG5R1

The break is a bit sad but otherwise, should be pretty good
Title: Re: A great intro into the game...
Post by: Windsong on June 01, 2017, 08:41:56 PM
I should add that intonation on mine is quite good, too.  Pedler advertisments and brochures often bragged that their hard rubber was better than anyone else's.  Hyperbole?  Probably not.  The consistent, smooth finishes show like new (when they have been cared for) 70-90+ years later.

Likely low-to-mid serial number in overall production, 3rd in line, but nice players.  For anyone looking to get into the game, here is a nice playing line for a parts horn price.  Ask the seller questions about condition, of course, but if it's solid and without issue, this is a steal.  I own one without a scratch (near to this serial number, in fact).  It's solid and dependable, if not terribly exciting.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/American-Pedler-Co-Clarinet-For-Beginners-E16705-/232201186332?hash=item361044ec1c:g:XWEAAOSwZ4dZKJOs

That's an incredible deal for vintage clarinet.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on June 01, 2017, 08:55:28 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Vega-Company-Boston-Eb-Soprano-Clarinet-Case-Needs-Repad-Work-Please-Read-/132212626478?hash=item1ec87c942e:g:u2UAAOSwq1JZG5R1

The break is a bit sad but otherwise, should be pretty good

That is an unfortunate break, and it's directly through a tone hole.  That would be my biggest concern.  I'll bet the body could be "re-welded" to remove the crack line, but the tone hole will need careful, specialized attention above and beyond the typical wood clarinet repair, I suspect.  I also wonder if the bore has suffered.  A lip or chasm on the inside of the bore will modify sine waves negatively, I'd think.
Thanks for sharing.  It's not every day you see a Boehm Eefer in hard rubber.

The seller has been honest.  In offering a no hassle, "try-before-you-"really"-buy", he is ensuring that he can actually sell it to that "right someone".
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on June 02, 2017, 05:34:34 PM
Would this be considered a French Horn without valves?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Naturhorn-c1800-Paris/292115279164?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D654571ba065d493cb1e657985af71bb6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201939016559
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 02, 2017, 05:41:54 PM
Would this be considered a French Horn without valves?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Naturhorn-c1800-Paris/292115279164?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D654571ba065d493cb1e657985af71bb6%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D201939016559
I think the French part of it mandates valves or pistons of some kind, but other than that it should be a French horn in all other aspects
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on June 02, 2017, 06:37:30 PM
Natural horn.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 02, 2017, 10:18:03 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1914-Conn-Alto-Saxophone-Silver-New-Wonder-Factory-34-High-Pitch-w-OHSC/182600692318?_trksid=p2055119.c100022.m2048&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140122153519%26meid%3Dedabb34504a34d979ba1c16f6efa35c2%26pid%3D100022%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D311886489350

Interesting example of a HP alto sax.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on June 03, 2017, 12:26:17 AM
Natural horn.
I suspect it would take some serious chops to find all the available notes.
True story: My mother, a devout jazz aficionado, and fortunate soul to enjoy the sounds of 1940s New Orleans--her native town, absolutely forbid me from playing brasswinds as a child.  She said that she had read that most brasswind players died an early death from overworking themselves with the insane embouchure their horns required.  I don't know if that claim had any merit at all, as I suspect the premature deaths had more to do with most players' penchant for the excessive consumption of spirits.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on June 03, 2017, 12:30:07 AM
Dave,
We seldom see the HP sax, anymore, though they were made in mass quantities, prior to WWI.
I wonder how high they were pitched?  452-454hz?  That would be my guess. 
Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on June 03, 2017, 08:18:52 AM
Almost over but will likely be re-listed. http://www.ebay.com/itm/222526044105?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649

Not exactly common.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on June 06, 2017, 07:14:44 AM
Well what do we have here? An Eb alto simple system . . ??  8)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Very-rare-1880s-Ferdinando-Roth-Eb-alto-clarinet-repadded-corks-Albert-system-/332252626644?hash=item4d5bccbed4:g:3YIAAOSwblZZNcaa
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on June 06, 2017, 07:17:25 AM
Clearly not.  I wonder what made the seller think that?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 06, 2017, 09:36:39 AM
Clearly not.  I wonder what made the seller think that?
Probably the open hole, as it's fairly uncommon as far as key systems go.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on June 06, 2017, 05:31:42 PM
Clearly not.  I wonder what made the seller think that?
Probably the open hole, as it's fairly uncommon as far as key systems go.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on June 06, 2017, 09:02:04 PM
Here's a nice Conn 624n double wall in need of a complete overhall.  The price has increased X 10 in under 90 days.

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Metal-Clarinet-W-Carry-Case-38328815.html

http://www.ebay.com/itm/142345973632?_trksid=p2471758.m4703

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222537538381?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

As a 4th owner do you think I could then ask $6000 just for taking new pictures?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 06, 2017, 10:23:50 PM
Here's a nice Conn 624n double wall in need of a complete overhall.  The price has increased X 10 in under 90 days.

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/auctions/Metal-Clarinet-W-Carry-Case-38328815.html

http://www.ebay.com/itm/142345973632?_trksid=p2471758.m4703

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222537538381?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

As a 4th owner do you think I could then ask $6000 just for taking new pictures?
Damn, I wish I had gotten it at it's original price! But I couldn't in good conscience charge 3 grand, even for a restored one.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on June 07, 2017, 02:32:32 PM
It could just be a bubble waiting to be de-flated. The Pan AmeriConn cocobolo (NOT!) propeller laminated wood clarinets are a bubble that might have recently popped. One just sold for $100 while asking prices of others were $300 - $500. If put in order, I'm sure that these play sufficiently well, but to be honest, the sellers are trading on the looks and presentation of very good looking wood, even if it is laminated. Personally, I haven't been able to excuse acquiring one of these when I could get three 424Ns for about the same price.

These double walled Conns? OK, they are rare. Do they sound as good as a 1941 424N? I like the older Conns also. The early ones are excellent hard rubber and have gorgeous key work. Those are the best bang for the buck if you aren't creating a Conn museum.

One of the best ways to get a higher price at auction is to make better photographs. And I don't mean diffuse filters, enhanced lighting, or commercial studio photography tricks, or photographing the clarinet in a rose garden. The higher bids (at least when I am bidding) go to the photos that actually show the real condition of the instrument. As a former professional commercial photographer, when the photo is the primary method of presentation of something for sale, selling is a photography contest.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 08, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
If this guy bought this bass new for one single gig and is now selling it, then he has literally made the worst financial decision I have ever seen in my entire life.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buffet-Crampon-1193-Prestige-Low-C-Bass-Clarinet-/122539601523?hash=item1c87edee73:g:a5AAAOSw~rpZOfta
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on June 11, 2017, 08:35:08 AM
If this guy bought this bass new for one single gig and is now selling it, then he has literally made the worst financial decision I have ever seen in my entire life.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buffet-Crampon-1193-Prestige-Low-C-Bass-Clarinet-/122539601523?hash=item1c87edee73:g:a5AAAOSw~rpZOfta

Hey, it's been "professionally stored".

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on June 11, 2017, 06:30:09 PM
I'd like an explanation of what that means.  Making sure the temp/humidity doesn't get too extreme and then what? 8)   
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 11, 2017, 08:12:44 PM
I'd like an explanation of what that means.  Making sure the temp/humidity doesn't get too extreme and then what? 8)
Well, "professionally" means that someone had to have gotten paid for storing it, so let's say he hired a special guy just to keep an eye on it during storage!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 11, 2017, 08:20:47 PM
I think this is the simplest clarinet I've ever seen

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bb-L-P-Clarinet-/292147569198?hash=item44055a222e:g:q6EAAOSwrfVZPZ-I
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 11, 2017, 10:59:25 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/112433446195?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Rare example of an Albert bass clarinet. It doesn't even have rollers!
I have an Albert Buffet bass holed away somewhere. One day I'll restore it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on June 12, 2017, 05:16:05 AM
I think this is the simplest clarinet I've ever seen

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bb-L-P-Clarinet-/292147569198?hash=item44055a222e:g:q6EAAOSwrfVZPZ-I

Wow,  the 'flat' in Bb is actually spelled out 'flat'!  I've never seen that before.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on June 12, 2017, 05:49:09 AM
What an oddity.  Key system like something from 1800, saltspoon keycups like something from 1850 and the LP marking like something from the early 20th century.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 12, 2017, 07:43:12 PM
This doesn't look like a Pupeschi, but it does have a neato extra lever for the left hand
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CONN-MPB-FACTORY-34-OURLABEL-CLARINET-PARTS-REPAIR-Pupeschi-SYSTEM-/391813601463?hash=item5b39e918b7:g:SZIAAOSwSypY~2Wy
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on June 12, 2017, 08:59:15 PM
This doesn't look like a Pupeschi, but it does have a neato extra lever for the left hand
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CONN-MPB-FACTORY-34-OURLABEL-CLARINET-PARTS-REPAIR-Pupeschi-SYSTEM-/391813601463?hash=item5b39e918b7:g:SZIAAOSwSypY~2Wy

That would be Conn's patented Improved System, seen here in the 1910 catalog on page 8. http://www.saxophone.org/museum/publications/id/67
Somewhere, I think it's buried in one the Conn publications on this site, there is a listing that shows which Conn factory built each key system and pitch clarinet.

The B at the beginning of the serial number is for Bb and the H at the end of the serial number would make this high pitch.  The MPB PIU in the shield is the union label from the metal workers and platers union. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 13, 2017, 09:57:03 AM
This doesn't look like a Pupeschi, but it does have a neato extra lever for the left hand
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CONN-MPB-FACTORY-34-OURLABEL-CLARINET-PARTS-REPAIR-Pupeschi-SYSTEM-/391813601463?hash=item5b39e918b7:g:SZIAAOSwSypY~2Wy

That would be Conn's patented Improved System, seen here in the 1910 catalog on page 8. http://www.saxophone.org/museum/publications/id/67
Somewhere, I think it's buried in one the Conn publications on this site, there is a listing that shows which Conn factory built each key system and pitch clarinet.

The B at the beginning of the serial number is for Bb and the H at the end of the serial number would make this high pitch.  The MPB PIU in the shield is the union label from the metal workers and platers union.
Awesome, thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Tinker73 on June 15, 2017, 02:32:40 PM
Don't see integrated barrel Thibouville clarinets like this everyday.  It appears to be a pretty decent example from around 1910 (Oval stamp with star above and below) with just the one crack on the lower joint, and what appears to be a tight crack in the bell.  The price is very reasonable on this one yet, I just thought I would share this as I have picked up way too many clarinets lately and need to spend more time restoring than adding to the collection!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-Wood-Nickel-With-Case-/142414274993?hash=item21288d61b1:g:SjUAAOSw-29ZPJ3w (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-Wood-Nickel-With-Case-/142414274993?hash=item21288d61b1:g:SjUAAOSw-29ZPJ3w)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on June 15, 2017, 03:40:21 PM
Fascinating, Dave.  A LP salt spoon 6-key?  I certainly have not seen one of those.  I appears French.  It would not be stamped LP unless it was from the turn of the last century.  I imagine it was a throwback model, made just for kicks.  I think I'd like to play that.

I think this is the simplest clarinet I've ever seen

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bb-L-P-Clarinet-/292147569198?hash=item44055a222e:g:q6EAAOSwrfVZPZ-I
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on June 17, 2017, 08:08:01 AM
Wow, did anyone here see this one on SG ??

Lower joint socket lined with metal on an Albert?

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Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on June 17, 2017, 06:09:15 PM
Don't see integrated barrel Thibouville clarinets like this everyday.  It appears to be a pretty decent example from around 1910 (Oval stamp with star above and below) with just the one crack on the lower joint, and what appears to be a tight crack in the bell.  The price is very reasonable on this one yet, I just thought I would share this as I have picked up way too many clarinets lately and need to spend more time restoring than adding to the collection!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-Wood-Nickel-With-Case-/142414274993?hash=item21288d61b1:g:SjUAAOSw-29ZPJ3w (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-Wood-Nickel-With-Case-/142414274993?hash=item21288d61b1:g:SjUAAOSw-29ZPJ3w)
  Good thing I didn't see that,  love JTLs would have been tempting...also have too many clarinets needing restoration!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 22, 2017, 10:46:09 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-Richard-Keilwerth-Primus-German-made-Bb-Clarinet-never-played-/302358311333?hash=item4665f5b1a5:g:DHoAAOSwIjJZS-nA

Neat example of a modern Albert
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on June 23, 2017, 02:56:31 PM
That's technically a modern, full Oehler system clarinet.  It IS an Albert in terms of fingering, but quite a bit different than the original Alberts of a century ago, and quite evolved. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on June 23, 2017, 02:58:53 PM
Wow, did anyone here see this one on SG ??

That's a repair sleeve.  Nicely done, though, but underneath lurks a crack, methinks.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 25, 2017, 12:02:01 PM
Here's an incredible extended bell Moennig bass.
This is literally the third one of these extended bells I've seen in the past 5 years. I own one of them (extended bell low C).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Moenning-Wood-Bass-Clarinet-Soviet-Zone-/263054864232?hash=item3d3f4aaf68:g:1KoAAOSwbopZTsjS
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on June 27, 2017, 02:30:37 PM
Cheers! www.ebay.com/itm/BOOZEY-HAWKS-Clarinet-/162567658732?hash=item25d9c99cec:g:YeYAAOSwcgNZC7Jk
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 02, 2017, 08:17:11 PM
Here's a cool Linton contrabass clarinet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Linton-Contrabass-Clarinet-/152609492945?hash=item23883c0fd1:g:nlsAAOSwjKFZWEt0

It's interesting because it is shaped more like a large saxophone than clarinet. What's even more interesting is that Linton was not really known for making saxophones, so why model their contra clarinet on a saxophone-esque style...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on July 02, 2017, 09:54:51 PM
Cheers! www.ebay.com/itm/BOOZEY-HAWKS-Clarinet-/162567658732?hash=item25d9c99cec:g:YeYAAOSwcgNZC7Jk
That's a nice price for a reasonably sorted 1-10 with R. Kell keys.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on July 02, 2017, 10:00:07 PM
Here's a cool Linton contrabass clarinet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Linton-Contrabass-Clarinet-/152609492945?hash=item23883c0fd1:g:nlsAAOSwjKFZWEt0

It's interesting because it is shaped more like a large saxophone than clarinet. What's even more interesting is that Linton was not really known for making saxophones, so why model their contra clarinet on a saxophone-esque style...
Interesting, indeed...I suspect the styling has to do with the visual appeal expectations of the time, and...why not?
Would we call that a "semi-paperclip" or perhaps a "transverse paperclip"?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on July 02, 2017, 10:17:09 PM
What on earth?  Salt spoons and plateaus?  What IS this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/clarinet/142426982863?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3Dee584e5d70d84677a6658488cef2909d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D162567658732
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 03, 2017, 12:02:59 AM
What on earth?  Salt spoons and plateaus?  What IS this?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/clarinet/142426982863?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3Dee584e5d70d84677a6658488cef2909d%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D162567658732
I believe that's a modern Indian CSO. I had one once sold under the name 'Oswal India'. I felt the quality was worse than what you expect from China nowadays, more on par with glorious Soviet people's clarinets.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on July 03, 2017, 02:46:12 AM
Yes, I've seen one of these Indian things.  Probably the worst clarinets ever.  Unplayable.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on July 06, 2017, 07:24:06 AM
Boehm system metal clarinet by E.J.Albert. 

The seller seems to think it's solid silver.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E-J-Albert-Silver-metal-Clarinet-Bruxelles-Tunable-M-P-RARE-servicing-required-/192236592607
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 06, 2017, 10:14:48 AM
Boehm system metal clarinet by E.J.Albert. 

The seller seems to think it's solid silver.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E-J-Albert-Silver-metal-Clarinet-Bruxelles-Tunable-M-P-RARE-servicing-required-/192236592607
Isn't solid silver too soft to make a durable instrument with?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Paul on July 06, 2017, 11:29:54 AM
Is this a reasonable price?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on July 06, 2017, 01:38:42 PM
Boehm system metal clarinet by E.J.Albert. 

The seller seems to think it's solid silver.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/E-J-Albert-Silver-metal-Clarinet-Bruxelles-Tunable-M-P-RARE-servicing-required-/192236592607


The inside of the bell certainly looks like brass.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on July 07, 2017, 02:43:40 AM
Is this a reasonable price?

Only if it's really solid silver, which I very much doubt and there's the possibility that it's high pitch which you won't find out until it's repadded.

EJ Albert did make lovely instruments and they are quite rare but it's worth very little IMO. 

I didn't mean to be misleading by posting in "good stuff on ebay".  Maybe I should have started a new thread.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on July 07, 2017, 02:51:44 AM
Isn't solid silver too soft to make a durable instrument with?

There are plenty of solid silver flutes out there.  Haynes made some solid silver clarinets and some King clarinets have a solid silver bell. 

If this one were silver I'd expect to see a hallmark somewhere.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on July 07, 2017, 10:52:05 AM
I have seen (and owned) Sterling (92.5%) instruments, used for both the body and keywork.  I am not aware of pure .999% silver being used, as I believe without some alloy, it may be like a spagetti noodle, but admittedly, I do not know.  The use of pure silver for anything other than bullion seems unlikely.
And yes--to Dibbs' point, whenever anything over 90% silver is used, there is always a hallmark stamp (925, "sterling", a lion, etc.)  I can think of no instance when this was not the case, dating back well over 300 years, in silverware, flagoons, tea services, instruments, and the like.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Paul on July 07, 2017, 03:35:54 PM
I found it amusing, so  I not  have a problem with you posting it
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 07, 2017, 04:05:23 PM
I have a Selmer Signet piccolo with a coin silver (90%) stamped head joint.
I had a pure silver bracelet once that was kind of like silly putty and bent every which way...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Paul on July 07, 2017, 06:22:51 PM
This one is interesting      http://www.ebay.com/itm/buffet-crampon-Clarinets-broken-for-parts-junk/152614825103?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 12, 2017, 11:09:55 AM
I never knew they made Vito Dazzler bass clarinets:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vito-Bass-Clarinet-white-USED/302374360863?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Paul on July 12, 2017, 12:19:53 PM
If I played the Bass clarinet, I would want this for my collection.
FMEBRY
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on July 12, 2017, 05:58:25 PM
I have seen (and owned) Sterling (92.5%) instruments, used for both the body and keywork.  I am not aware of pure .999% silver being used, as I believe without some alloy, it may be like a spagetti noodle, but admittedly, I do not know.  The use of pure silver for anything other than bullion seems unlikely.
And yes--to Dibbs' point, whenever anything over 90% silver is used, there is always a hallmark stamp (925, "sterling", a lion, etc.)  I can think of no instance when this was not the case, dating back well over 300 years, in silverware, flagoons, tea services, instruments, and the like.

I believe it is legally required?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on July 13, 2017, 09:09:59 PM
Quite possibly.  It certainly substantiates the legitimacy of a boullion claim, though the wary precious metal broker will always take a sample of said material, I'm told.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 20, 2017, 08:39:18 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Professional-German-Baroque-style-Crystal-tube-body-Oboe-A-415HZ-Good-sound-/282579225388?hash=item41cb08cb2c:g:3AcAAOSwxbtZcGfJ

The first clear BAROQUE oboe I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on July 20, 2017, 09:06:56 PM
Crikey, that's a lot of chicken scratch for 3 dollars worth of molded milk jugs...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on July 20, 2017, 09:41:06 PM
Here is a beautiful example of what I believe to be a HP Bb Couesnon, and at present--well undervalued, at that.
The seller has a couple others for sale, currently, but I believe this to be the pick of the litter:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/142449558838?ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F0%252Fe11051.m43.l1123%252F7%253Feuid%253Dcad007fd6c6e44c486c9a4636dba311a%2526bu%253D43208945403%2526loc%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252F142449558838%2526sojTags%253Dbu%253Dbu%2526srcrot%253De11051.m43.l1123%2526rvr_id%253D0&ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 20, 2017, 11:26:54 PM
Here is a beautiful example of what I believe to be a HP Bb Couesnon, and at present--well undervalued, at that.
The seller has a couple others for sale, currently, but I believe this to be the pick of the litter:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/142449558838?ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F0%252Fe11051.m43.l1123%252F7%253Feuid%253Dcad007fd6c6e44c486c9a4636dba311a%2526bu%253D43208945403%2526loc%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252F142449558838%2526sojTags%253Dbu%253Dbu%2526srcrot%253De11051.m43.l1123%2526rvr_id%253D0&ul_noapp=true
Neat! I love that version of the keys with those funky crow's feet equivalent keys. I've never owned one like that.
Title: A clarinet masquerading as a bassoon.
Post by: Windsong on July 31, 2017, 11:32:59 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinette/122623132728?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D45726%26meid%3D8d573477c2624c4f98d43c54b337f5f5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222592744360
Title: Re: A clarinet masquerading as a bassoon.
Post by: Silversorcerer on July 31, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinette/122623132728?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D45726%26meid%3D8d573477c2624c4f98d43c54b337f5f5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222592744360
An upside down double-reed bass clarinet that goes to low C! Now that is different. Getting it across the water might be a problem? It looks like it wood float if they plugged up the leaks. I want it!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on July 31, 2017, 02:52:05 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 04, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
Not a bad deal for a decent alto:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRICE-SLASH-Half-Off-Today-150-00-Vito-Alto-Clarinet-with-Case-/352132904773?hash=item51fcc1b745:g:gQkAAOSwAPVZHgvy
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 05, 2017, 01:09:38 AM
Dave, I actually love the register of an Alto for improv and street work, and that's a great price for anyone looking to get into the game.  I see the funky, kidney bean trill touches are alive and well on this model, too.  It looks like LeBlanc used those on many models for about 20 years, off and on.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 05, 2017, 04:24:42 PM
The rare and coveted Couesnon.....

8C model..... ::)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Couesnon-Wooden-Clarinet-8C-A-Paris-/182701917235?hash=item2a89e20433:g:oFoAAOSwkttZaNlL
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on August 05, 2017, 06:39:09 PM
Not that I'm a judge of what is and isn't a good clarinet but I love the look of these old metal instruments. And this one is made by Windsor of Elkhart Indiana. My clarinet bears the name Windsor, tho these days that probably means nothing...

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Silver-Plated-Windsor-Clarinet-with-Case-made-in-Elkhart-Indiana-/122586316713?hash=item1c8ab6bfa9%3Ag%3Abz4AAOSwd3dZX5xg&_trkparms=pageci%253A98cb81b4-7a47-11e7-9d2b-74dbd180df70%257Cparentrq%253Ab52f3d1c15d0ab1de6a566d7fffff787%257Ciid%253A8 (http://m.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Silver-Plated-Windsor-Clarinet-with-Case-made-in-Elkhart-Indiana-/122586316713?hash=item1c8ab6bfa9%3Ag%3Abz4AAOSwd3dZX5xg&_trkparms=pageci%253A98cb81b4-7a47-11e7-9d2b-74dbd180df70%257Cparentrq%253Ab52f3d1c15d0ab1de6a566d7fffff787%257Ciid%253A8)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 05, 2017, 07:11:13 PM
It is marked Windsor (the metal one). There was no maker in Elkhart named Windsor, I'm fairly sure. There are scores of stenciled instruments from most of the Elkhart makers. If you compare the key work, the ferrules, the way the barrel fits the body to known makers like Pan American or Cavalier (Conn products), and Harry Pedler, and other documented makers, then you will find out who actually made the Windsor brand. I'm wondering if that brand might have come up here before. My memory gets kind of fuzzy with all these brands. Try the forum search field.

I have found numerous H. Bettoney of Boston metal clarinets with various names on them. Some of them even are marked with names like L.Lebret, Paris and right under that mark it is engraved with "Made in USA". Tracking the brands is like trying to assemble a jigsaw puzzle with hundreds of pieces.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 05, 2017, 07:25:06 PM
See what you can find just by using the search tool> http://clarinetpages.info/smf/index.php?topic=1027.msg5121#msg5121

If that Windsor looks like this Windsor, which looks like the Cavalier, it was made by C.G. Conn, Ltd. I have never heard a C.G. Conn product that had horrible intonation. For kicks I bought a "Beltone" trumpet that is quite obviously a Cavalier stencil, and it is several grades below a Conn trumpet, but the design is straight off the Conn drawing board for their "new era" trumpets and the intonation is quite superb even thought the tone is a bit on the tin can side. They used brass for these that had a higher zinc content and less copper, which is cheaper brass and doesn't have the same tone and is less responsive. That probably matters much less with a clarinet than with a trumpet. Conn was quite well known for ornate engravings, even on the less expensive stencils.

A good clarinet or any instrument is one that you like to play, really. Tone preference is highly subjective and I like having a sleek trumpet that plays like a Conn but sounds almost like a toy horn. It has uses, just not the same uses as a 1928 Conn 22B.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on August 05, 2017, 07:38:25 PM
The rare and coveted Couesnon.....

8C model..... ::)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Couesnon-Wooden-Clarinet-8C-A-Paris-/182701917235?hash=item2a89e20433:g:oFoAAOSwkttZaNlL

 . . . with the optional Vito bell. Rare bird for sure.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 07, 2017, 07:47:17 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Henry-Dubois-Wooden-Bass-Clarinet-Bodies-For-Parts-Double-Register-Vent-/282602113038?hash=item41cc66080e:g:XFwAAOSwiiRZiHxH

If you can find yourself a bell, neck and case, then this isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on August 08, 2017, 03:21:36 PM
Why are the holes on bass clarinet covered like a plateau flute, instead of having rings?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on August 08, 2017, 04:45:26 PM
The holes are quite large and in some places,  the reach is too far,  so in those instances they aren't even aligned with the holes holes,  but only near them and closing a nearby connected pad.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 08, 2017, 07:25:35 PM
Some of the older bass clarinets might have one ring on the upper joint, the oldest Harry Pedler basses are like that, but mine that is otherwise the same finally got a plateau there. There are also alto clarinets with rings and it probably is not the easiest instrument for someone with smaller hands to play. And then there are the soprano clarinets that have plateaus throughout, and at least one model with mostly plateau keys. It's kind of optional on the smaller instruments, but a bass or anything bigger plateaus are necessary.

I was looking at those joints above before they came up on this thread wondering where I could get the bell and neck for them. It's a good looking set of joints.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 08, 2017, 10:15:29 PM
My hands are princess-small and playing a Selmer open hole alto was a bit tough.
Unless you're literally Bigfoot, plateau keys on a bass are imperative.

There are several kinds of plateau soprano clarinets. Mazzeo has just the thumb plateaued, a special Bundy model has the thumb, UJ 3rd hole and LJ 3rd hole plateaued. There is also the full plateau with all keys like that. Finally there is the very rare all-but-thumb, where the thumb is open but the rest are plateau. I've only seen this type once.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on August 09, 2017, 02:34:01 AM
Thanks guys. I watched a video explaining why you can't play the famous Gerswhin glissando on a bass clarinet, but he didn't explain why the keys are plateaued. Now I know!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 14, 2017, 11:51:47 PM
I don't play Eb clarinet ever, but I know some of you do.

I know that there are differing opinions on the usability of wood mouthpieces, but for $40 it's definitely worth a shot in my opinion.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Tinker73 on August 15, 2017, 08:31:28 AM
I think you forgot the link to the auction, but if you are referencing the "Hans Zinner" blank shipping from Bulgaria, I ordered one of these for an Eb Albert that I had sitting around with a cheap plastic MP.  Problem was, this MP is for a smaller sized tenon joint, it worked out great though, it just happen to fit my Henry Gunckel Boxwood E perfectly, and the MP measurements were nearly the same as the original that has a crack in it.  I'm sure if you recorked it with thicker cork, or used some thread tape on it, it would work fine for the larger tenon, but definitely cut for the smaller tenon size more prevelant late 19th-early 20th century. Plays very nice, just not sure it would be my pick for an Eefer I was going to play everyday, I think if that were the case you would want to go the Hard Rubber route, but for a 100 year old clarinet, I would much rather use this one for $ 40.00 than the original that I can now keep packed away and out of harms way.

Not positive they are Hans Zinner blanks, there is absolutely no markings on the MP, and the box was also blank, I always thought the Hans Zinner blanks had Zinner stamped on them, but who knows.  There is also no reference to the model numbers the seller provided in any of the Hans Zinner documentation I looked up.  They are cheap (seller was very receptive to an offer) and they are decent quality if you just need a MP to have with a clarinet.  I think if you had them "tweaked"  they would be really good players, but for the expense, you would probably still be way ahead with a quality hard rubber MP.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 15, 2017, 10:00:40 AM
I might look into that. That little HP Eb Lafayette Freres that I''m still working on (barrel hopelessly stuck) came with a Geo. M. Bundy, which is probably not optimum. Another Eb wooden piece came up recently but the dimension of the tenon was too large for the Lafayette Freres. What's the link to that one?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 15, 2017, 11:23:49 AM
Woops, here it is:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hans-Zinner-23-Grenadilla-German-Mouthpiece-Eb-Clarinet-Albert-Boehm-System-NEW/152663171513?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 15, 2017, 04:00:22 PM
I sent an offer.

For those that like these ligatures with the single screw, this one looks to be in good shape:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/202021604188?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:VRI&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2661
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 15, 2017, 09:35:45 PM
On another thread there was some discussion of these. No bids on this one that ended, but contacting the seller might be a good strategy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Meyer-Clarinet-with-Case-3214-Black-Woodwind-Music-7-/372024553049?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMESINDXX%3AIT&nma=true&si=4y8K8qZ3UTbHt33sWbdEAd%252FKEw4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 15, 2017, 11:10:52 PM
I suppose this would be good if you have a vintage Martin Freres which needs a fairly original mouthpiece.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARTIN-FRERES-PARIS-CLARINET-MOUTHPIECE-/391864554665?hash=item5b3cf294a9:g:bYIAAOSwzqFY~2M~
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 16, 2017, 06:31:40 AM
That one would likely work well on a good number of late 19th - early 20th C. French clarinets.

On a completely different note there is a low hanging silver plated metal Bettoney Cadet stencil with a cool leather/tweed case that looks complete, Penn Los Angeles MP, low mileage, that would be a good "wall hanger or make a lamp".  :(

I'm sure it needs the usual cork and pad attention, and it could be HP. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-clarinet-for-decor-or-lamp-tweed-case-and-Penn-MP-AS-IS/162625221512?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908103841%26meid%3Dc43478b8d27043f8851e4fe0e4871ef4%26pid%3D100227%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D11%26sd%3D142472607932&_trksid=p2054502.c100227.m3827

I know a few people that tend to play clarinets solo without the ensemble context for whom this might be an inexpensive way to have a durable performance instrument. Strings can of course either tune up or down to match the tuning, whatever it is. It might be LP, there is no report on the length.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 17, 2017, 11:27:08 PM
Someone had fun with this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinet-Dupont-Artist-France-Professional-Rare-Vitange-Metal-Bb-Silver-Pink-/112529660681?hash=item1a334a5b09:g:shYAAOSwaopZjUYj
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on August 18, 2017, 10:44:14 AM
Wow that seems steep, 700 bucks! Looks good tho
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Tinker73 on August 18, 2017, 01:09:56 PM
If it was only $ 700 it probably wouldn't be too out of line for what it is, but with his shipping its right at $ 1K, that probably is a little much in this market.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 18, 2017, 04:48:50 PM
That seller specializes in metal clarinets. That's the same one that listed the two tone Pan American and a few others. The shipping is always very high.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 18, 2017, 10:56:20 PM
Good price for a Vito alto:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SOLID-QUALITY-VITO-RESO-TONE-USA-ALTO-CLARINET-MOUTHPIECE-CASE-/263153921894?hash=item3d45322f66:g:aq8AAOSweAVZlybG
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 20, 2017, 07:34:15 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Linton-Contrabass-Clarinet-/152671695122?hash=item238bf13112:g:nlsAAOSwjKFZWEt0

I don't think you could ever find one for a lower price than this.
I'm very tempted...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 27, 2017, 01:09:58 PM
Insane price for a contra alto:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/282613497342?ul_noapp=true

However, I have no idea where you would find a neck for this.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on August 27, 2017, 08:15:33 PM
I might look into that. That little HP Eb Lafayette Freres that I''m still working on (barrel hopelessly stuck) came with a Geo. M. Bundy, which is probably not optimum. Another Eb wooden piece came up recently but the dimension of the tenon was too large for the Lafayette Freres. What's the link to that one?

Have you used heat, a thin wedge and candle wax (paraffin)?  Have you placed the UJ in the freezer for a couple of hours with the joint between the two doused in bore oil, and then applied radiant heat?
It will come loose.
They always do.
 ::)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on August 27, 2017, 10:20:18 PM
I might look into that. That little HP Eb Lafayette Freres that I''m still working on (barrel hopelessly stuck) came with a Geo. M. Bundy, which is probably not optimum. Another Eb wooden piece came up recently but the dimension of the tenon was too large for the Lafayette Freres. What's the link to that one?

Have you used heat, a thin wedge and candle wax (paraffin)?  Have you placed the UJ in the freezer for a couple of hours with the joint between the two doused in bore oil, and then applied radiant heat?
It will come loose.
They always do.
 ::)
I had a Buffet Academy bass clarinet that was hopeless stuck in the middle joint. I couldn't get it apart so I asked my super buff friend and he couldn't either. All we got out of it was a couple of bent rods.
Then I put it in storage for several months, where it usually gets up to 100 degrees.
I took it home one day and voila, it popped right apart. It was great.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on August 28, 2017, 09:10:55 AM
There is not even room for a razor blade between the socket ring on the barrel and the upper joint wood. The fit is so tight that any attempt to get a wedge in there is going to damage the wood. I haven't used paraffin oil, but I do have that for polishing with pumice. There is no crack to get the paraffin oil into. Lighter solvents will soak in there, but these haven't done much either.

I'm reluctant to put an instrument in a freezer or heat it up rapidly. It does get up to 100F in my workshop upstairs office and that is where this instrument has been. It also goes below freezing during the winter sometimes. These are not rapid shocks, but gradual seasonal changes and not enough of a shock to get it to budge.

This is a very delicate instrument being so small and it is in such good condition that I am reluctant to take any risks. It also is one that belongs to a client so I have to more careful than if it was my own investment in a salvage that was at risk.

I know the barrel is stuck because this instrument traveled in one of those leather holster style 50/50 cases from the 19th C. In its' life time, the barrel was rarely removed if ever. The most I did was saturate the area of the socket with bore oil from the inside.

I've pretty much decided to finish the restoration with the barrel stuck in place. Obviously no one is going to play it with the barrel off anyway. In that it is HP, it might not get much more than display use and occasional solo play;- if someone will even buy it. It's a gorgeous instrument and far too short to be more than a reading lamp base.  ;)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 02, 2017, 08:16:23 PM
An interesting JTL.  Pad cups are intriguing, as are the pads, themselves.  Could those pads be held in with screws?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-JTL-Unusual-keys-For-Parts-Or-Restore-/162630152282?hash=item25dd83305a:g:47cAAOSw5cNYkAJ6
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 02, 2017, 10:39:22 PM
An interesting JTL.  Pad cups are intriguing, as are the pads, themselves.  Could those pads be held in with screws?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-JTL-Unusual-keys-For-Parts-Or-Restore-/162630152282?hash=item25dd83305a:g:47cAAOSw5cNYkAJ6
That is funky. For all the world they look like repurposed flute pad cups...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 02, 2017, 10:40:56 PM
Ok so check this out. I don't even know what to call it. The title says it best, "Manuscript for clarinet"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Manuscript-for-clarinet-from-1894/282635195036?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: noneyet on September 03, 2017, 09:41:13 AM
Ok so check this out. I don't even know what to call it. The title says it best, "Manuscript for clarinet"

Man, I would love to own that just to say that I did  ::)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 03, 2017, 02:14:58 PM
An interesting JTL.  Pad cups are intriguing, as are the pads, themselves.  Could those pads be held in with screws?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-JTL-Unusual-keys-For-Parts-Or-Restore-/162630152282?hash=item25dd83305a:g:47cAAOSw5cNYkAJ6
That is funky. For all the world they look like repurposed flute pad cups...
Yes, they do, but the work is very good and consistent, it had to have been a labor of love.  But screw in pads/resonators on a clarinet?  I've never seen that.  One-off, perhaps?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 03, 2017, 03:59:56 PM
What those pad cups (JTL) look like to me is flute pad cups. Flute (plateau models) pads are set with central screws and I have one very nice old pro Bettoney clarinet that has the large pads on the lower joint set with central screws and washers like flute pads
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 03, 2017, 06:18:17 PM
What those pad cups (JTL) look like to me is flute pad cups. Flute (plateau models) pads are set with central screws and I have one very nice old pro Bettoney clarinet that has the large pads on the lower joint set with central screws and washers like flute pads
But why...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 04, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
I guess the next question should be, "Factory furnished, or fabbed?"
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 04, 2017, 10:12:41 PM
On the Bettoney, it was definitely factory furnished with screw and washer pad cups. It was an idea that did not catch on apparently. Most Bettoney clarinets have normal pad cups. It might have been experimented with by Bettoney because H. Bettoney was first known for flutes. Bettoney experimented with a few innovative ideas, the best IMO was the patented C# side key link to the Eb ring key that enables a similar kind of left hand forked fingering for Eb that one gets from a 7-ring Boehm without all the complications arising from the 7th ring. It's actually my favorite type of Boehm upper key type and so simple that adding the function to other clarinets is generally a simple matter. It's also invisible outwardly.

As to why? Again, on the Bettoney it was only the largest lower joint pads that were attached with screws and washers. Having seen quite a few clarinets with a few detached pads, I have noticed that the pads that tend to detach are the large lower joint pads. There is a good reason for this. The diameters are large enough that expansion and contraction due to temperature fluctuations is sufficient to break the shellac bonds in some cases. If there is a clarinet with a loose pad, it's usually a large pad on the lower joint;- unless it is put on there with a screw and washer at the center of the pad. You almost never see a flute with any of the large pads detached. Most plateau flutes have pads that are screwed in place.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on September 04, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
It looks almost like the metal resonator (for want of a better term) threads onto a screw that is attached to the pad cup.  Note the 2 holes on either side of center, and the lack of a slot in the center.  I have an angle grinder that uses a similar looking setup to hold the cutting disk in place and requires a special wrench that fits into the 2 holes.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 06, 2017, 04:00:11 PM
Oh, good eye!  I missed those holes the first go round, but I did notice what I also took to be a small resonator, of sorts.  Interesting, and at least, uncommon.

And yes--the large pads typically fall out first--those and wrap around register key pads, I've noticed.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 07, 2017, 12:08:58 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmony-Purple-Clarinet-/282641893423?hash=item41cec5082f:g:kBcAAOSwAPVZMFcf

A bit much...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 07, 2017, 03:35:49 PM
Ten grand for a purple CSO?
The seller is clearly "taking the piss".

If one just HAS to have one, this one will save $9900.00
https://www.thepurplestore.com/cgi-bin/product_detail.cgi?pstore_id=9965
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 07, 2017, 04:28:35 PM
Ten grand for a purple CSO?
The seller is clearly "taking the piss".

If one just HAS to have one, this one will save $9900.00
https://www.thepurplestore.com/cgi-bin/product_detail.cgi?pstore_id=9965
Silver plated keys on a $100 clarinet? That's awfully nice of them
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on September 07, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmony-Purple-Clarinet-/282641893423?hash=item41cec5082f:g:kBcAAOSwAPVZMFcf

A bit much...

Check out his other items.  You can also get a $10000.00 t-shirt, baseball cap or sunglasses.  I wonder if he combines shipping?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: noneyet on September 07, 2017, 08:03:00 PM
Ten grand for a purple CSO?
The seller is clearly "taking the piss".

What on earth is that guy thinking???
And what does "taking the piss" mean?  ???
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 08, 2017, 07:21:27 PM
It means joking.  It's used when someone is clearly being ridiculous.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 08, 2017, 08:59:54 PM
Probably derived from french, they seem to love their piss.
Il pleuve comment une vache pissé!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 09, 2017, 02:06:02 PM
Probably, this should fall under "Not-so-good", as it's entirely overpriced, and the photos are lousy, but I reference it, as I ran into this exact same clarinet in a thrift store today, being sold for $24.95.
Vintage is estimated at 1955-1965, and there was nothing terribly special about it except for the pristine German nickel keys, very nice grenadilla wood with no issues, and the Selmer HS* mouthpiece branded "Ideal".  Certainly a solid student instrument, but I don't need any more of those.  At $24.95, it is a deal...for someone else with fewer clarinets.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinet-Ideal-Paris-France-La-Paree-Czechoslovakia-/200407835822?hash=item2ea93ce4ae:m:mJZRyNLAkGrOEPzKWyVz-HA
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on September 09, 2017, 05:45:02 PM
Windsong, good move. I would have difficulty on passing up that deal at the store. Let's hope whoever buys it, appreciates it and takes care of it while enjoying the learning process.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 09, 2017, 06:43:24 PM
Oh, I thought about it--I really did.  The Selmer MP was worth more than the $24.95.  It had no condition issues. 

Sadly, I missed the "good ones" by a couple of days.  Up until 2 days ago, they had four clarinets.  A man came in and bought three.  As this was the one he left, I can only imagine what he got. I cannot be everywhere at once, and despite my asking them repeatedly to call me when they get woodwinds in, they never do, despite assurances they will.  Apparently I'm not the only player in the local game.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 11, 2017, 07:24:52 AM
Probably, this should fall under "Not-so-good", as it's entirely overpriced, and the photos are lousy, but I reference it, as I ran into this exact same clarinet in a thrift store today, being sold for $24.95.
Vintage is estimated at 1955-1965, and there was nothing terribly special about it except for the pristine German nickel keys, very nice grenadilla wood with no issues, and the Selmer HS* mouthpiece branded "Ideal".  Certainly a solid student instrument, but I don't need any more of those.  At $24.95, it is a deal...for someone else with fewer clarinets.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinet-Ideal-Paris-France-La-Paree-Czechoslovakia-/200407835822?hash=item2ea93ce4ae:m:mJZRyNLAkGrOEPzKWyVz-HA

You should post that link on the Amati stencil thread. There are quite a few of those available now if you look. Most are not at all overpriced;- closer to the 24.95. For a sturdy well made instrument that actually plays quite well, one could do a lot worse. I do agree that the Paree is a bit much. If one of these was totally put into fabulous playing condition, it might be a good deal considering a new Amati (plastic) is around $700.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on September 13, 2017, 03:19:23 AM
Here's an interesting thing.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/G-MOLLENHAUER-SOHNE-Curved-Basset-Horn-in-C-Prototype-one-piece-in-the-World-/272844981740?hash=item3f86d405ec:g:uAEAAOSwJJVZuG0Z

I think I'd call it a bass clarinet in C rather than a basset horn.  It's hard to know how much of the description to believe.  It's clearly not Boehm system for a start.  Can it really have a smaller bore for the lower notes?  I suspect the figures are the wrong way round and the bottom part has a wider bore.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 13, 2017, 09:26:44 AM
That's a tough one.
What defines a "basset"? Well, the basset clarinet is basically a soprano clarinet to low C, a basset horn is essentially an alto to low C.
But then we have our typical low C bass clarinet that is not referred to as basset. This is probably because basset is likely an English corruption of "bassette" in French, or bass-ette, which is "little bass".
So the basset family is called little basses because the extended range is to low that it goes into the bass clarinet range.

But when you have something in C...
This one only 30 inches so it's not big enough to be a bass in C, I don't think.

I think basset horn is just for alto-style clarinets.

So conclusion, this should probably be called a "curved basset clarinet in C".
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 13, 2017, 11:39:13 AM
That Mollenhauer is gorgeous. That's the branch of the family that still makes excellent recorders. The other brother was J. Mollenhauer & Son, in Fulda. I have a set of German system Bb sop joints by J.

I think most of the description is correct minus a few human errors, like the bore measurements.

The bore is larger than my alto so this is slightly more toward a bass bore, but the way I understand it or misunderstand it, this would be an octave lower than a C soprano clarinet. The bore is closer to an alto, but the length total is a "bass clarinet in C"?

And what about the odd port before the bell? Tuning port? Perhaps for a key that didn't work out?

It certainly looks like a prototype. Very cool for the super collector, bot a bit steep. I have to note that a J. Mollenhauer bassoon would fetch that price at times.
Title: What's wrong with this "Selmer"?
Post by: Windsong on September 19, 2017, 08:54:36 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/253149431602?ul_ref=https%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F0%252Fe11051.m43.l1123%252F7%253Feuid%253D05864675344f4d0f8748ba4af29995a5%2526bu%253D43208945403%2526loc%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ebay.com%25252Fulk%25252Fitm%25252F253149431602%2526sojTags%253Dbu%253Dbu%2526srcrot%253De11051.m43.l1123%2526rvr_id%253D0&ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on September 19, 2017, 09:39:23 AM
Neat, I've never seen that version of the logo
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 19, 2017, 10:38:19 AM
Yes; that's an "interesting" logo for the time this clarinet would have been made, innit? 
So...what's wrong with this clarinet?  Study the keywork carefully.
(Clue:  the barrel and both UJ and LJ reportedly bear no maker's marks.)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 19, 2017, 01:34:03 PM
Yes; that's an "interesting" logo for the time this clarinet would have been made, innit? 
So...what's wrong with this clarinet?  Study the keywork carefully.
(Clue:  the barrel and both UJ and LJ reportedly bear no maker's marks.)
I Czeched it over in the photos.   ;)

There's nothing wrong with it except I think it's NOT French and definitely NOT Selmer. Those fellows started making clarinets when?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 19, 2017, 04:56:44 PM
Bingo, sorcerer.
The clarinet is clearly a Czech clarinet.  It even has pins holding the keywork in place, instead of screws.

Does one blame a seller for not knowing what an item is, and falsely advertising it, or do you place blame on the bidders who don't do their homework?  Some blame belongs with both, I suppose, but accidentally misleading one's audience with plausible, uneducated supposition is more forgivable than not doing one's homework.  Caveat emptor.

Per the hint:  I have never seen a Selmer--even the earliest, pre-serialized ones, that did not have every part of the clarinet emblazoned with their logo.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on September 20, 2017, 04:20:29 PM
I've never seen a Selmer that early. I don't think they were making them until almost 1900.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on September 20, 2017, 07:46:32 PM
That's correct.  The Selmer brothers began making reeds and ligs.  Then, when one went off to play at conservatory in 1898, the other (can't remember who's who, among the two) made clarinets for him, and then began making them for the masses in 1903, I believe.  They became serialized in 1922.
Certainly, that Bohemian Albert is a good deal older.  And the price continues to climb.  A quick look at the bidders who want it so badly, and it's immediately apparent why they keep pushing the price.
Title: Calling all Tinsmiths...
Post by: Windsong on October 02, 2017, 06:06:24 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1920s-H-N-White-Co-Silver-King-Clarinet-SN-109817-For-Restoration/352173468960?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D0832a60aeef142ce8f50ddd80b64a52e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D362114249148&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 02, 2017, 07:07:49 PM
Beautiful, but a shame about the dented bell....
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 03, 2017, 07:59:25 AM
Beautiful, but a shame about the dented bell....

When one considers the price, I see it as truly fortunate for someone with exceptional metalsmithing skills.  The bell is pretty badly beaten up, and Sterling Silver has no "memory" of it's former form, like steel, so bending it back out to a flawless form will be a challenge, but there are many with the right tools, skills and patience to do it, and they stand to make a hefty profit on a clarinet that typically sells just shy of 2 grand in excellent condition.  The melt value is more than the current price on it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 03, 2017, 08:02:11 AM
Beautiful, but a shame about the dented bell....

When one considers the price, I see it as truly fortunate for someone with exceptional metalsmithing skills.  The bell is pretty badly beaten up, and Sterling Silver has no "memory" of it's former form, like steel, so bending it back out to a flawless form will be a challenge, but there are many with the right tools, skills and patience to do it, and they stand to make a hefty profit on a clarinet that typically sells just shy of 2 grand in excellent condition.  The melt value is more than the current price on it.
At that point might as well get it as a precious metal investment!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 03, 2017, 08:24:30 AM
If cost were no object, which would YOU rather have?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-C-G-CONN-624N-B-DOUBLE-WALL-Bb-SILVER-METAL-CLARINET-ELKHART-RARE-/222655975899?hash=item33d75491db:g:G30AAOSw42JZApaY

OR...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CG-Conn-524N-Silver-Metal-Clarinet-WONDERFUL-Video-demo/282670609575?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D1e8316092f4d4218837d3a488a204716%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222655975899&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on October 03, 2017, 01:33:13 PM
If cost were no object, which would YOU rather have?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-C-G-CONN-624N-B-DOUBLE-WALL-Bb-SILVER-METAL-CLARINET-ELKHART-RARE-/222655975899?hash=item33d75491db:g:G30AAOSw42JZApaY

OR...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CG-Conn-524N-Silver-Metal-Clarinet-WONDERFUL-Video-demo/282670609575?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D1e8316092f4d4218837d3a488a204716%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222655975899&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

-Well, perhaps this other one, and so would you? EXTREMELY rare, and from the Isaac Fiske workshop which Conn operated momentarily:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antique-Conn-Double-Wall-Albert-System-Clarinet-Worchester-Mass-c-1890s-/272866518168?hash=item3f881ca498:g:POwAAOSwxCRZzW5U
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on October 03, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
If cost were no object, which would YOU rather have?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-C-G-CONN-624N-B-DOUBLE-WALL-Bb-SILVER-METAL-CLARINET-ELKHART-RARE-/222655975899?hash=item33d75491db:g:G30AAOSw42JZApaY


This one has been kicking around for awhile.  First sold on shop goodwill back in April(?), then hit eBay and the seller doubled his money.  By June it hit eBay again with a $3250 price tag.  It keeps rolling over and every once in a while the seller drops it 25 or so.  From the various pictures, it looks like it has some finishing issues and would definitely need a complete overhaul.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 03, 2017, 04:26:28 PM
I'd rather have the double wall for sure. Mainly because it's rare and looks cool :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 03, 2017, 05:37:34 PM


"-Well, perhaps this other one, and so would you? EXTREMELY rare, and from the Isaac Fiske workshop which Conn operated momentarily:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antique-Conn-Double-Wall-Albert-System-Clarinet-Worchester-Mass-c-1890s-/272866518168?hash=item3f881ca498:g:POwAAOSwxCRZzW5U"

Oh my...that is absolutely incredible.  And it's priced ridiculously low, given what it is.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 03, 2017, 05:45:30 PM
What a hoot!  A real "white elephant", eh?
I was not aware of that, Mechanic.
I wonder why nobody wants to restore it, and yes; to say that it maintains 95% of it's silver plate is almost irrelevant when above it is all that hideous laquer.  I know how rare it is, but I consider it greatly overpriced, currently.  The ShopGoodwill figure was probably a lot more in line with its true value, but I suppose we'll see if it moves at its current price.  If it does, then it's value (at least to one person) has been established.

If cost were no object, which would YOU rather have?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1928-C-G-CONN-624N-B-DOUBLE-WALL-Bb-SILVER-METAL-CLARINET-ELKHART-RARE-/222655975899?hash=item33d75491db:g:G30AAOSw42JZApaY


This one has been kicking around for awhile.  First sold on shop goodwill back in April(?), then hit eBay and the seller doubled his money.  By June it hit eBay again with a $3250 price tag.  It keeps rolling over and every once in a while the seller drops it 25 or so.  From the various pictures, it looks like it has some finishing issues and would definitely need a complete overhaul.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on October 03, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
I'd take the albert too, hands down.  The metal Pedler American model i have sounds really nice to me, and mine is considered a student model.  I bet that one sounds great and would be fun to play.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on October 08, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
Speaking of rare metal:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Bettoney-Boston-METAL-Bb-Bass-Clarinet-/202072393840?hash=item2f0c740870%3Ag%3AeTgAAOSwLiJZ0%7Edc&_trkparms=pageci%253A10e3cfa2-ac6c-11e7-b5b7-74dbd180a4a8%257Cparentrq%253Afdcc525a15e0a7f27861ef75fffed1ee%257Ciid%253A13
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 08, 2017, 02:27:56 PM
I have never in my life seen a metal bass by bettony. Incredible.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on October 09, 2017, 06:36:34 AM


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Jacques-Albert-Bruxelles-Advanced-Boehm-Wood-Clarinet-Silver-Keys-/162697556303?hash=item25e187b14f:g:HaoAAOSw5YNZrF0s

Does anyone know what the extra cross key on the lower joint does?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on October 09, 2017, 07:31:56 AM
Thinking about it, it must be an alternative tough for C#/G#.  I'm not sure why I'd want that.  Maybe for G/G# trills.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 09, 2017, 08:25:07 AM
The majority of articulated clarinets will have that extra key. And yes, it is for C#/G#.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: windydankoff on October 16, 2017, 11:19:22 AM
Here's a beauty ...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-JTL-Clarinet-Rosewood-Key-of-C-Gorgious-1880s-/232521230568?hash=item36235868e8:g:mU4AAOSw~UdZ32-j#viTabs_0
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: bbrandha on October 16, 2017, 06:54:44 PM
I am trying to make myself use that extra key on my clarinets. I have arthritis in my left hand and my pinky locks. 40+ years of the usual fingering may not be possible to retrain, though. At least with as little as I play.
Title: WHAT IN THE WORLD?
Post by: Windsong on October 16, 2017, 07:16:21 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/August-Clemens-Glier-German-Saxophone-Fingering-Bb-Clarinet-Plateau-KeysRestored/253166313369?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D95904c442e9d400294638f7d873f87e6%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D232516579318&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on October 17, 2017, 04:32:48 AM
Oh dear.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on October 17, 2017, 12:07:13 PM
Oh dear.

I'd play it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 19, 2017, 01:46:51 PM
For those not "in the know", these are not "used" mouthpieces.  They are either 3D printed or factory blanks.
I suspect they are 3D printed, as they all possess the same hue and moulding lines.
Very interesting.
What the world should know about 3D printing of items that will go on to be placed in the mouth is that not all plastics are created equal, and professional and diehard DIY 3D print folks will often use food-grade plastics that are safe and non-toxic, whereas the casual newby might not.  Of course, without a little background, it's virtually impossible to tell which plastic has been used.  Anyway, enjoy:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/31-Vintage-Saxophone-or-Clarinet-Mouthpieces-CHARLES-BAY-ESTATE/142541517804?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140131123730%26meid%3Df100ffc19c5442b7a29fe0bd17886f32%26pid%3D100167%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D232521551016&_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 19, 2017, 02:34:29 PM
Do you buy the Bay estate claim?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 19, 2017, 02:51:14 PM
I'm not sure I do.  Seems, every time I turn around, there is someone claiming that.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on October 19, 2017, 05:57:49 PM
I'm thinking the majority of them are molded rubber blanks.  That line would be from the split in the mold.  Look closely at the table and rails.  Tables will all need to be shaved a mm or 2 to bring them down to the rails.  The tips are also pretty square and would need a fair amount of work.  I think if they were 3d printed they would be a lot closer to a finished product. 

They certainly are not used as in " As a group they come in used condition with normal wear consistent with use".  Only a couple of them have flat tables, the rest are still rounded. 

The 5th from left, top row and 4th bottom row look like they may have been worked on a little bit, but still nowhere near playable.

They could very well be from the estate.  Seller is shipping from Ventura CA. and according to the Bay website, you can call Jonathan Bay on his cell phone at an 805 area code which encompasses Ventura. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 19, 2017, 06:43:11 PM
Good point, Mechanic.  I have seen some rough 3D blanks, but usually they are a little cleaner than this.
And yes; this is a trove for a facing master, but I'd make a mess of those in short order, I'm afraid!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 19, 2017, 06:45:15 PM
Not exactly a common sighting:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Clarinette-basse-en-metal-Pedler-metal-bass-clarinet/162709182470?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3Df3c314020d0140af8c45d84faeaf0354%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D282185404807&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

...but at this price, I'm not thinking it'll move all to quickly.  I suppose we'll see.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on October 19, 2017, 09:26:27 PM
:gasp:  that's lovely!!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 19, 2017, 09:37:23 PM
Beautiful!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-H-Selmer-A-Paris-Brevete-SGDG-Clarinet-with-Case-Untested/162714534399?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41375%26meid%3D2820a32dbef14cbd93a781f5e27a7cf5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D162709182470&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851#viTabs_0
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: zigzigy7 on October 21, 2017, 07:52:55 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Penzel-Mueller-silver-double-walled-clari-met-/272888328084?hash=item3f89696f94:g:ld0AAOSwn45ZxYBQ
a penzel mueller double walled metal clarinet. starting at $1k to bid or buy at $1.3K claiming to be in working order with a few dents. im a broke college student so i cant afford it but i hope it gets a good home
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 22, 2017, 10:01:25 AM
Looks like it sold for a solid thousand bucks. That's a rarity and definitely a museum piece for sure.
Title: Shocking!
Post by: Windsong on October 25, 2017, 07:19:49 PM
Three bills for a HP C Fischer? 
Who'da thunk it?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Carl-Fischer-C-Albert-Clarinet-/222689417391?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=FP1I9XYgJOAveCt44t%252BOv%252FxC2qc%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on October 25, 2017, 07:24:10 PM
It sold for that?  Yikes! 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on October 26, 2017, 08:15:49 AM
There was a (severely) water-damaged Noblet alto in Texas that went for $450 a couple of weeks ago.

Four hundred and fifty dollars for something that had ruined wood.

It looked like it had been attacked by the salt monster vampire from TOS S01E01.  The Man Trap (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Trap)

Four-hundred fifty dollars.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 26, 2017, 10:02:15 AM
I guess the market is ripe for high prices!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 29, 2017, 05:04:49 PM
This one has been kicking around for a little while.  What do you make of that chamferred C tone hole?  I have not seen enough of these Harry stencils to know for sure, but I would be surprised if it came from the factory like this, and see no advantage, unless it was intended to be partially exposed for note blending, or some other advanced fingering technique I'm not familiar with.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-La-Premiere-Francaise-Clarinet-Hard-Case-AS-IS-FOR-RESTORATION-PARTS-/322739227368?rmvSB=true&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F711-53200-19255-0%252F1%253Ficep_ff3%253D2%2526pub%253D5574933636%2526toolid%253D10001%2526campid%253D5336728181%2526customid%253D%2526mpre%253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww%25252Eebay%25252Ecom%25252Fitm%25252FVintage-La-Premiere-Francaise-Clarinet-Hard-Case-AS-IS-FOR-RESTORATION-PARTS-%25252F322739227368%2526srcrot%253D711-53200-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D1349509440432&ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Silversorcerer on October 29, 2017, 05:36:09 PM
I agree that the chamfering of the C hole is not factory, no clue why except someone “improved” or personalized it.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 31, 2017, 06:14:05 PM
I suspect the crack will scare some buyers away, but it actually looks well attended to, and if it will play, this is a fine price for a mid level Alto.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-EVETTE-SCHAEFFER-MODEL-BUFFET-CRAMPON-ALTO-CLARINET-SERIAL-697/391911172974?_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D48736%26meid%3Dcc726b11fbe3436cb967c24b25dfd9a2%26pid%3D100013%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D322843375548&_trksid=p2047675.c100013.m1986
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on October 31, 2017, 06:29:31 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Unique-E-J-Albert-Bruxelles-Theatre-Model-Bass-Clarinet-Albert-Sys-Restored/332431454401?hash=item4d667570c1:g:8nYAAOSwWZpZ93pW

Neat.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 31, 2017, 06:41:16 PM
Boy, that's gorgious, Dave.  I saw the price and clicked back out of it for fear of hitting BIN, and having to sell the house to pay for it.

E. ALBERT is where it's at!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on October 31, 2017, 06:41:50 PM
Mmmmm,  delicious imitation Buffet.... tastes just like the real thing:

https://m.ebay.fr/itm/Rare-20th-cent-Buffet-Paris-Wooden-single-piece-A-clarinet-/253199217055?nav=SEARCH

(Psst, Look closely at the bell stamp)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 31, 2017, 06:49:54 PM
This handsome one is similar to Tinker's recent listing, though not quite as impressive, keywork or price-wise.  Still, it's a nice relic.   

Quite interesting are the original care instructions still located in the case.
I looked up Lactine Oil and could not find it directly referenced.  I found Lactin oil, and suppose it may be similar, or perhaps identical (Lactose, milk, etc.).
Look at how it's been scratched through by a (real) ink pen, and olive oil has been substituted.  Perhaps Lactine Oil was hard to come by 100 years ago, as well.  You don't often receive the original paperwork in an auction, and it's always a treat when you do.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Henry-Gunckel-Eb-Albert-System-Clarinet-1900s-Grenadilla-Wood-made-by-Buffet/391915444760?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 31, 2017, 06:53:31 PM
Mmmmm,  delicious imitation Buffet.... tastes just like the real thing:

https://m.ebay.fr/itm/Rare-20th-cent-Buffet-Paris-Wooden-single-piece-A-clarinet-/253199217055?nav=SEARCH

(Psst, Look closely at the bell stamp)

That is frankly hilarious, Modernicus!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Tinker73 on October 31, 2017, 07:04:08 PM
I have been eying that Henry Gunckel Eefer for almost 2 months now.  Still over-priced, but a very interesting example, and I believe by a maker that I do not have represented in my Gunckel collection.  I have been trying to nail the maker down through the sellers pictures, and really think this is possibly a Thibouville "stencil" from around 1895-96.  This one also deviates from the usual Henry Gunckel marking which is also very interesting, strange how this one is so different when only minor changes can be seen in the original logo from the 1860's through 1927.  This one is the "red herring" of all of the examples that I have looked at, makes me wonder if it was a case that a maker was more or less borrowing the Gunckel name for a few instruments, or possibly the maker of this one was making the Eb clarinets for the maker that was controlling the Gunckel name at the time since that maker does not appear to have been making Eb clarinets that I have been able to find. 

At any rate this one is a very interesting example.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on October 31, 2017, 08:22:46 PM
It sure is an odd one.
I do not have anywhere near the knowledge on Gunckels that you do, but I try to watch most of them as they come through, and have bid on a few over the years, always surprised to find that they have a faithful enough following that they almost always sell on the first attempt if competitively priced.  This one is scraping the stratosphere, price-wise, but to its credit, is unlike any of the others I've seen over the last few years.
This one shares a lot of the more evolved keywork that your fantastic Conn possesses, minus a top joint ring, and a few other less significant differences.  Do you suppose they would be categorized similiarly?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on October 31, 2017, 09:31:03 PM
I suspect the crack will scare some buyers away, but it actually looks well attended to, and if it will play, this is a fine price for a mid level Alto.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-EVETTE-SCHAEFFER-MODEL-BUFFET-CRAMPON-ALTO-CLARINET-SERIAL-697/391911172974?_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D48736%26meid%3Dcc726b11fbe3436cb967c24b25dfd9a2%26pid%3D100013%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D322843375548&_trksid=p2047675.c100013.m1986

Same touches, neck-loop, register mechanism, and key layout as my Linton.  The Linton has a single-wire "cage" over the top of the E-flat key on the bell, though. 


Of course the real question is: Does it have the correct neck?

Ok, yes, I went back and looked at the crack.  Er, break.  That's not a place where it would crack.  And that's a weird looking break to this woodworker.  I have to wonder WTF happened.  It looks like fingernails on the back but from the front it looks like it broke right in half.  I want to put a bore scope down it to see what it looks like inside.  (Also to measure the inner diameter to see if it's narrow like the Linton.)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: windydankoff on November 01, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
Weird looking crack to a woodworker because there's no wood grain. It looks like hard rubber.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on November 01, 2017, 09:30:35 PM
Weird looking crack to a woodworker because there's no wood grain. It looks like hard rubber.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I blame the migraine.  What an odd beastie, then.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on November 01, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
This could be the simplest explanation as to how it got damaged.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on November 05, 2017, 05:58:50 AM
I kinda really want this:
https://m.ebay.fr/itm/CLARINETTE-ANCIENNE-EN-BUIS-DE-PIETRO-DE-AZZI-IN-VENEZIA-/272914795174?nav=SEARCH
Rare maker from a romantic and unusual location, unique keywork, decent condition- yes please!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on November 05, 2017, 07:51:32 PM
Mod,
I tnink it's fair to say that we all want that one.  Look at those unusual keys.  I can't say I've ever seen anything like it, and for the time, quite advanced.
Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on November 07, 2017, 05:21:55 PM
OMG!!  Who killed this poor clarinet!  They’re even confident about it, how callous and cruel can somebody be!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Clarinet-Made-In-Germany/192357709828?hash=item2cc969b804:g:DecAAOSw6WFaAiZW

I don’t know if it’s good stuff on ebay, but it’s funny!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on November 09, 2017, 06:45:46 AM
There' a rather nice early one here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-clarinet/202107934733?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

It comes with what looks like a foot joint for an early flute too!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on November 09, 2017, 08:08:50 AM
Nice condition and starting price for a square key.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on November 12, 2017, 09:59:09 AM
Wooden Pruefer bell, $5, no bids

https://www.ebay.com/itm/G-Pruefer-Prov-RI-Wood-Clarinet-Bell-Vintage-older-style-parts-Restore-VGC/391924666006?hash=item5b4087ce96:g:ExEAAOSwk~ZZ-2Ri (https://www.ebay.com/itm/G-Pruefer-Prov-RI-Wood-Clarinet-Bell-Vintage-older-style-parts-Restore-VGC/391924666006?hash=item5b4087ce96:g:ExEAAOSwk~ZZ-2Ri)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on November 12, 2017, 03:28:52 PM
https://m.ebay.fr/itm/CLARINETTE-ANCIENNE-dans-son-jus/162734440993#vi__app-cvip-panel

Was going to bid on this to snack on to make up for up a missed dinner of imitation Buffet but the boss said no... it looks identical to my ca. 1870 Buffet Crampon.
BTW, "dans son jus" translates to English, as far as I can tell, to "in its own juice"  :o
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on November 13, 2017, 06:34:08 AM
...
BTW, "dans son jus" translates to English, as far as I can tell, to "in its own juice"  :o

Literally, juice or gravy yes, but idiomatically it means something like unrestored.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: modernicus on November 13, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
Yeah, I thought they probably meant "authentic" or something like that, but I like to picture the literal interpretation.  ;D
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on November 18, 2017, 06:24:56 PM
Here is one to watch:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2-LEBLANC-OPUS-II-FRANCE-PRO-IN-A-WOOD-CLARINET-replacement-UPPER-JOINTS/222716286432?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49476%26meid%3D0fd9bb50057e45d6ae0eac967cd6c91b%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D222722276549&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on November 18, 2017, 06:48:09 PM
Wow, such beautiful wood!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on November 18, 2017, 10:37:55 PM
But, like, when are you ever going to need those? Unless you happen to be playing exactly an Opus II...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on November 20, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
True...
...or want to make one, Johnny Cash style ("I got it one piece at a time...")
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on November 21, 2017, 09:59:58 AM
I feel like that would be a bit tough, but satisfying if accomplished.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on November 21, 2017, 01:53:59 PM
I remain curious about metal claris.

https://m.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-NOBLET-LEBLANC-METAL-CLARINET-CASE-MADE-IN-FRANCE/322884866723?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49488%26meid%3D3ace13ca7ca04451bbdd23784d27276c%26pid%3D100890%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D222716286432&_trksid=p2056116.c100890.m2460
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: bbrandha on November 21, 2017, 09:38:30 PM
I have 2 brass Noblets.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on November 28, 2017, 04:43:56 PM
I'm somewhat of a serial number "enthusiast". Not really into numerology but I do appreciate really cool number sequences.

This old B & H eefer is numbered 2222.   Now that is 2 cool!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Boosey-Hawkes-Ltd-E-Flat-Low-Pitch-Clarinet-Overhauled-and-re-padded/292349748046?hash=item441167234e:g:DtAAAOSwzRlaHemg
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on November 28, 2017, 07:24:19 PM
I'm somewhat of a serial number "enthusiast". Not really into numerology but I do appreciate really cool number sequences.

This old B & H eefer is numbered 2222.   Now that is 2 cool!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Boosey-Hawkes-Ltd-E-Flat-Low-Pitch-Clarinet-Overhauled-and-re-padded/292349748046?hash=item441167234e:g:DtAAAOSwzRlaHemg

And good clear marking on every joint, including the MP.  Hands down, the English )from a very early time) have been the finest, most methodical markers of their manufacture.  Thanks for sharing that, Airflyte.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on November 28, 2017, 11:48:55 PM
Wow 6.60, that IS cheap. An English name on a German clarinet?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on November 29, 2017, 08:17:59 AM
Wow 6.60, that IS cheap.


For now.  It will go up and up and up from there.

Quote
An English name on a German clarinet?

Even the French have made German clarinets.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on November 29, 2017, 08:34:10 AM
It's really nice, I can't wait to get my eefer up and running.  I'm measuring the key cups this afternoon for pads. Dave recommended looking into piccolo pads.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on November 29, 2017, 10:44:31 AM
It's really nice, I can't wait to get my eefer up and running.  I'm measuring the key cups this afternoon for pads. Dave recommended looking into piccolo pads.
Problem I forgot to mention with piccolo pads is that they're generally somewhat thinner than clarinet pads. Which might actually come in handy with a smaller clarinet like that...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on November 29, 2017, 10:59:11 AM
I saw a video today showing a really small clarinet playing against a contrabass. I mean that little one looked tiny, like a sopranino recorder. Never seen one that small before. Pads must be tiny!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on November 29, 2017, 12:59:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-aqcHlSFEI

The tiny one is the Ab piccolo, also known as the sopranissimo. I can't imagine the tight embouchure required to play that thing effectively
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on November 29, 2017, 02:16:05 PM
Thats the video I saw, pretty amazing!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on November 29, 2017, 03:55:30 PM
I held one once.  Man, it was tiny! 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Lisa on November 29, 2017, 06:46:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-aqcHlSFEI

The tiny one is the Ab piccolo, also known as the sopranissimo. I can't imagine the tight embouchure required to play that thing effectively
They probably suck on a lemon first, lol.  I haven’t played my eefer yet, it’s torn down, but i did play one in high school, and even that was a tight embouchure, that teeny tiny elf clarinet has to be sure hard to control.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on November 30, 2017, 12:11:07 AM
I like to try an eefer, theyre neat. But I also want to try a bass. Back on topic, has anyone tried Gumtree? Quite a few claris on there!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 28, 2017, 09:13:21 PM
A bit spendy, but with "wriggle room", and with a forked Eb and articulated C#/G#.  Interesting.
What do you suppose is going on with that wood?  Extremely dry?  Water damage?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1940s-L-Hamel-Clarinet-w-Case-Extras-Made-in-France-Mystery-Maker-/132446240198?clk_rvr_id=1403635750137&rmvSB=true&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F710-53481-19255-0%252F1%253Ficep_ff3%253D2%2526pub%253D5574933636%2526toolid%253D10001%2526campid%253D5336728181%2526customid%253D%2526mpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww%25252Eebay%25252Eco%25252Euk%25252Fitm%25252F1940s-L-Hamel-Clarinet-w-Case-Extras-Made-in-France-Mystery-Maker-%25252F132446240198%2526srcrot%253D710-53481-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D1403635750137&ul_noapp=true
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on December 29, 2017, 07:47:13 PM
I'm thinking extremely dry. I've had a Normandy in my shop at one point that was so dry it was almost white. A nice coat of almond oil later and it was the most beautiful reddish grenadilla I have literally ever seen.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on December 29, 2017, 10:03:38 PM
Oil works wonders, indeed.  While it may be scarred with a little "granular personality" from missing 75+ years of needed oilings, if there is significant wriggle room on the price, it may be quite the catch.  It's not every day you see a forked Eb and an articulated center section on a 6 ringer.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on December 29, 2017, 10:09:05 PM
I have to agree with Dave.  It doesn't have the major funk I would normally associate with water damage.  Most likely stored for years in an attic with wild temperature fluctuations.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: zigzigy7 on February 27, 2018, 10:02:22 AM
This one appears to be a buffet clarinet that combines boehm and albert systems. The hole and ring placements are identical to a 2 ring albert but the pinky keys are boehm. A unique clarunet indeed
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Buffet-Paris-Clarinet-Bb-Albert-Boehm-Mixed-System/323089646767?hash=item4b39a4c4af:g:gbwAAOSwp7tabMEm
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on February 27, 2018, 10:55:12 AM
That’s an excellent  sample of a transition state if I ever saw one.
I would imagine it plays more like an Albert than a Boehm
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: 350 Rocket on February 27, 2018, 07:04:57 PM
Scam alert!

I stumbled across this little hack job this evening. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Silver-King-Clarinet-Sterling-Silver-Bell/273035801999 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Silver-King-Clarinet-Sterling-Silver-Bell/273035801999)

This is a 1950s American Standard student-model clarinet with an earlier Silver King bell grafted on, being passed off as a genuine Silver King.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on February 27, 2018, 07:26:13 PM
Thanks for the warning.
Just a thought-did student models often have a low F adjustment screw?

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: 350 Rocket on February 27, 2018, 07:36:06 PM
Thanks for the warning.
Just a thought-did student models often have a low F adjustment screw?
They did - all H.N. White metal Boehm clarinets that I've seen have the regulation screw on the low F.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on February 27, 2018, 08:11:57 PM
Thanks for the info.
Do you think the seller is purposefully trying to scam potential buyers? If so, I can report the item to eBay for fraud.
It would be good if others could as well to add fuel to the case.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: 350 Rocket on February 28, 2018, 02:54:28 PM
Thanks for the info.
Do you think the seller is purposefully trying to scam potential buyers? If so, I can report the item to eBay for fraud.
It would be good if others could as well to add fuel to the case.

Well... that's a bit of an issue. The seller is a music store and repair shop that is notorious for building "parts-bin" instruments and then being evasive about their true nature. The likelihood of this being intentionally misrepresented is quite high. But without any legally defensible way to prove it (and even posting their name is fraught with risk) all you can really do is send out the warning for the most flagrant instances, like this one. Besides, I've heard that eBay doesn't pay much heed to reported items.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on February 28, 2018, 06:58:37 PM
His prices are pretty hefty and apparently can’t spell ...
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 10, 2018, 06:20:52 PM
Here is another, seldom seen gem among the standard Pedler student fare that nobody wants and nobody can sell.  This is a Pro-model large-bore 17/6 in Grenadilla with silver keywork and the "Pedler Appliance" in lieu of a conventional crow's foot.  It was made in the mid-late 1930s.  While not shown, it also will have 4 individual top joint trill key posts.  An excellent price at the opening bid, and perhaps a very good price even with the BIN, provided the wood is crack-free, and keys aren't marred.  I see no glaring defects, but without an abundance of good photos, more info will be required from the seller, of course.  Quality to value, this is my Pedler Pick of The Week.  Among the 17/6 wooden MBIC Pedlers, this is the one to have.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pedler-clarinet-vintage-wood-winds-Elkhart-with-original-case-antique/282875600881?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on March 12, 2018, 07:32:20 AM
"Pedler Pick of The Week"  - I like that. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on March 14, 2018, 08:52:00 AM
Not really good stuff but this amused me.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Yamaha-YCL-631II-Alto-Clarinet-Full-Adjustment-by-Fedex/183004385175?epid=21012653053&hash=item2a9be94f97:g:khgAAOSwQN5aUf~T

I've had instruments "adjusted" by parcel delivery companies.  I wouldn't recommend them.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 14, 2018, 10:57:04 AM
Ha! I think I’m in the wrong profession..
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: zigzigy7 on March 25, 2018, 11:46:23 AM
heres a rare find, a mcintyre clarinet
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-ANTIQUE-1940-50S-MCINTYRE-CLARINET-MADE-PARIS-IN-HARD-CASE-CLARINET/312090776105?hash=item48aa0f5229:g:2FQAAOSwi6JasU8K
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on March 25, 2018, 11:56:05 AM
Zigzigy,
Wow.  Time to sell my McIntyre!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 25, 2018, 05:49:33 PM
I have the great misfortune of owning two McIntyres, neither of which is complete.
The most complete one is missing its original bell and barrel. The other one is missing all of the keys on the upper stack.

I believe they are NOS pieces, unfinished when McIntyre went bust. Neat piece of clarinet history, but completely useless for resale value.

On a related note, whoever ends up winning that one in the auction has their work cut out for them in terms of repadding it. Phil and I have both tried and it's nearly impossible to get the McSystem key springs to actually work. Crikey.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 25, 2018, 06:30:12 PM
I'm tempted...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Prototype-Bb-Basset-Clarinet-Horn-Wood-No-Cracks-As-Is-Read-Description/112892229609?hash=item1a48e6b7e9:g:mE8AAOSwLq5arWA1
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 25, 2018, 06:33:28 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/kohlert-metal-alto-clarinet/123041161762?hash=item1ca5d32222:g:2MoAAOSwYutauBA6

This one appears to be in much better condition than mine, although I only paid like $80 for mine so I can't complain too much.

These are quite rare, but I don't really need another one.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on March 26, 2018, 03:30:39 AM
I'm tempted...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Prototype-Bb-Basset-Clarinet-Horn-Wood-No-Cracks-As-Is-Read-Description/112892229609?hash=item1a48e6b7e9:g:mE8AAOSwLq5arWA1

Why would you do this to a Bb.  Isn't all the repertoire for basset clarinet in A?.

It's the excessively flat E and F that would worry me.  He doesn't say how the corresponding B and C are.
 If they are reasonably good then I wouldn''t know how to fix the bottom register.  Stephen Fox claims to be able to make such an extension but, for French clarinets, it involves modifying the original lower joint in some way.  I suspect it might need some modifications to the bore and/or repositioning the tone holes.

http://www.sfoxclarinets.com/Basset.html

I saw one that Daniel Bangham was converting to a Basset.  He cut the lower joint in half before the flare started and grafted the new piece on there.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: noneyet on March 29, 2018, 07:15:20 PM

 whoever ends up winning that one in the auction has their work cut out for them in terms of repadding it.

That would be me :)
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on March 29, 2018, 08:05:56 PM

 whoever ends up winning that one in the auction has their work cut out for them in terms of repadding it.

That would be me :)
Please let us know how that nightmare goes. I use my McIntyre for a display piece more than anything, especially since I just can't get the throat B working. Ugh....
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: noneyet on April 01, 2018, 11:31:49 AM

 whoever ends up winning that one in the auction has their work cut out for them in terms of repadding it.

That would be me :)
Please let us know how that nightmare goes.

So far, so good. She is in very nice shape. The tenon corks look brand new and the pads are passable for now. Gave her a sip of key oil in all the right places and I'll oil her lightly after a bit...but she DOES play (within the severe limitations of the new owner...lol). Pictures will come soon.

S/N is 1083 and that's the about lowest I've found anywhere. Of course there isn't much info to be found. The highest serials I noted were in the 5000's. I guess that might mean she is closer to 1959 than 1962? What's the serial on yours, Dave?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 01, 2018, 03:51:29 PM
The most complete one I have is SN 5213. The other, unfinished one has a similar number, somewhere in the low 5,000s.
Since the second one appears to be unfinished by the factory, I would imagine that was one of the last built before they closed up shop.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: bbrandha on April 02, 2018, 08:18:55 PM
Mine is #1149.

Just FYI, I got a soprano sax case for mine. It fits pretty well. No way would it go in a Bb case.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: jordan.1210 on April 07, 2018, 08:12:13 PM
I'm new to the pages so sorry if this is in the wrong topic.

Doing some research, I've found that a decent number of people hold the C clarinet sold by songtielun on ebay in good regard. Has anyone looked at the other clarinets they sell? (Eb, A, G, etc.) I'm a college student who plays clarinet in groups for fun (not a music major) and am looking at options for clarinets in other keys without breaking the bank (so good enough to sound decent and get the job done without breaking but doesn't need to be close to pro level).

Right now, I'm mostly looking at the Eb and C from STL
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on April 08, 2018, 07:58:41 PM
I've heard good things about them. However, many Chinese brands are often somewhat lacking in quality control, so they could be inconsistent from one to the other. In other words, one STL clarinet might be fantastic while another built the next day might be subpar.
But for the price, I really don't think you can go too wrong.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on May 08, 2018, 11:15:47 AM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-White-Vito-Resotone-USA-Bass-Clarinet-NORESERVE/392033678673?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

I don't think I've ever seen one of these before.

And the white isn't discolored like most of them are! wow
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Airflyte on May 08, 2018, 06:29:19 PM
That's it !!  Get off ebay, you guys are not helping to alleviate GAS.   ;)


Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on May 09, 2018, 02:24:40 AM
What on earth?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/17pcs-Durable-Felt-Professional-Clarinet-Pad-Set-Clarinets-Repair-Parts-Beige/263672328038?hash=item3d64186f66:g:~lIAAOSwHPNa8qDL

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on May 09, 2018, 01:04:59 PM
What on earth?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/17pcs-Durable-Felt-Professional-Clarinet-Pad-Set-Clarinets-Repair-Parts-Beige/263672328038?hash=item3d64186f66:g:~lIAAOSwHPNa8qDL
I've looked at that a dozen times and I still don't know what's going on
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on May 10, 2018, 07:38:32 AM
£2.20 with free postage from Hong Kong.  Whatever they are they're cheap.  I've bought some just to see.  I'l let you know what turns up.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on May 10, 2018, 09:45:44 AM
My guess is a regular set of bladder pads. A clarinet and pads were probably sent to the art department for photographs with the instructions "get a picture of the pads on the clarinet".[size=78%]  [/size]
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on May 13, 2018, 07:18:57 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/clarinet-Red-G-tone-clarinet-good-sound-and-techniques/292560107412?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

In case you wanted a red G clarinet.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on May 17, 2018, 06:07:25 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Fernand-Chapelain-Co-Clarinet-with-Leather-Case-Vintage-France/273197688562?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2661

I had been watching this, only to see that it has been pulled.  Too bad.  I foolishly had it in my mind that I might actually score a famous name LP Simple System in A for under 100 bucks.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: jordan.1210 on May 17, 2018, 07:07:36 PM
I know a metal Cavalier clarinet isn't usually something to brag about but I recently bought one for the low price of $30 on ebay. It needed a little adjusting (some keys were bent but easily fixed) and it plays just fine. The body is also pretty clean, which is a plus. Some keys have the plating coming off, showing some brass color but I kind of like it. Cool to have a little piece of clarinet history that I can play.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Tinker73 on May 18, 2018, 08:22:54 AM
Windsong, that Fernand Chapelain LP A was the first clarinet I've placed a bid on in a very long time.  I too was disappointed the auction was pulled, that was a fairly early example of a Chapelain, more than likely pre-1900, but after 1895.  The early Chapelain clarinets are proving to be very difficult to ever see up for auction, too bad the seller pulled this one, guessing someone offered him a pretty good price privately on it and sold it that way.  It was also a very unique bell for a Chapelain clarinet, but I do think there was a good chance it was the original, and the original barrel appeared to be in excellent condition, from my research the MP may have very well been original on this one also.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: windydankoff on May 19, 2018, 02:20:39 PM
How 'bout this amazing pair (I have a search out for Pruefer):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/G-Pruefer-A-Bb-Set-Clarinet-Articulated-G-Low-Eb-Buffet-Crampon-Barrels/401539762382?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

Looks like a legacy forgotten.

What do you suppose is that knob is on the barrel at bottom of the picture?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on May 29, 2018, 09:34:55 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/A-Duval-Rosewood-Clarinet/173339888131?hash=item285bdcca03:g:PboAAOSw5P9a~2pI

This one sure is pretty
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Windsong on June 03, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
This is quite special...so what is it?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Beautiful-Albert-simple-system-metal-clarinet-Likely-made-in-France/253646431934?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D50543%26meid%3D90760947bbda43c7b7beffee4ac1afff%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D132587366988%26itm%3D253646431934&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on June 03, 2018, 06:28:45 PM
Well, it certainly was top-of-the-line at the time it was built.

I know there can't have been many manufacturers who made 1) metal, 2) articulated, 3) Albert clarinets.

That may narrow it somewhat.

The lower keys have rollers, which means it's not too early, but then again Albert largely died after like the 20's, right?

My metal simple system has no rollers, which should date it to... 1880s?

So this one is probably turn of the 20th century, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: noneyet on June 19, 2018, 06:59:44 PM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/A-Duval-Rosewood-Clarinet/173339888131?hash=item285bdcca03:g:PboAAOSw5P9a~2pI

This one sure is pretty

I thought I was going to win this one... :(
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: windydankoff on July 13, 2018, 08:23:28 AM
Selmer A with extra correction key for flat low-F

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Selmer-Paris-Recital-Clarinet-pitched-in-the-key-of-A/283040555575?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52473%26meid%3D8aa0c3652de24d5fa5d8829d37b6db36%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D163146207009%26itm%3D283040555575&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982

That's a lot of gizmology to correct one note! My Chinese A has all the bottom notes flat. I wish I knew what best to do about it, it sounds so fine otherwise!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: Dibbs on July 17, 2018, 08:31:11 AM
As I'm sure you know, they're all flat on low E and F to some degree.  I suspect, but don't know for definite, that it's partially corrected by the flare at the bottom of the bottom joint.  It can only affect those long tube note to any significant degree and what else would it be there for?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: mechanic on July 18, 2018, 08:55:46 AM
There are multiple discussions on other sites about drlling a hole in the bell to help correct those notes.  That or some other bell modification might be the ticket. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 18, 2018, 11:49:02 AM
Couldn't one just attach a shorter bell?
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: windydankoff on July 18, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
No Dave. A shorter bell will raise the pitch of the clarion bell notes as well. That would be a bigger problem.

A little hole in the side of the bell raises low-clarion B.

Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: windydankoff on July 28, 2018, 03:32:33 PM
Buffet / Carl Fischer –  interesting features on this one!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Carl-Fischer-New-York-Wood-Clarinet-With-Case/292654248718?hash=item44238d730e%3Ag%3A-GsAAOSw%7EGRax8-e&_sacat=0&_nkw=clarinet+mouthpiece+sumner+acousticut&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=m570.l1313

And the Sumner Acousticut 3 MP ... The one I have is THE BEST!

What do YOU think?   // Windy
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: DaveLeBlanc on July 28, 2018, 10:08:15 PM
Those donut keyed clarinets are neat. I have a donut Buffet A and a donut M Lacroix Bb.
Not too much real benefit to the doubt, but cool nonetheless!
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: zms5063 on August 15, 2018, 09:54:55 PM
My recent ebay purchases. First gamble into the vintage and wood clarinet world. Particularly interested in this wood Jean Barre and wood Jean Dumont which I hear is are good instruments (anything will be better than a Bundy 577 with a cracked tenon): https://www.ebay.com/itm/163199511452 and https://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-OLD-JEAN-DUMONT-GRENADILLA-WOOD-CLARINET-AND-CASE/202323824302?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: gavalanche20 on September 07, 2018, 10:44:16 AM
Selmer A with extra correction key for flat low-F

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Selmer-Paris-Recital-Clarinet-pitched-in-the-key-of-A/283040555575?_trkparms=aid%3D888007%26algo%3DDISC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D52473%26meid%3D8aa0c3652de24d5fa5d8829d37b6db36%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D163146207009%26itm%3D283040555575&_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982

That's a lot of gizmology to correct one note! My Chinese A has all the bottom notes flat. I wish I knew what best to do about it, it sounds so fine otherwise!

Hi windy, slightly off topic but how flat are we talking? I've been reading your work on STL clarinets and might have a go at a Chinese horn myself.
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: andybeals on September 13, 2018, 12:44:54 AM
A bit spendy, but with "wriggle room", and with a forked Eb and articulated C#/G#.  Interesting.
What do you suppose is going on with that wood?  Extremely dry?  Water damage?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1940s-L-Hamel-Clarinet-w-Case-Extras-Made-in-France-Mystery-Maker-/132446240198?clk_rvr_id=1403635750137&rmvSB=true&ul_ref=http%253A%252F%252Frover.ebay.com%252Frover%252F1%252F710-53481-19255-0%252F1%253Ficep_ff3%253D2%2526pub%253D5574933636%2526toolid%253D10001%2526campid%253D5336728181%2526customid%253D%2526mpre%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww%25252Eebay%25252Eco%25252Euk%25252Fitm%25252F1940s-L-Hamel-Clarinet-w-Case-Extras-Made-in-France-Mystery-Maker-%25252F132446240198%2526srcrot%253D710-53481-19255-0%2526rvr_id%253D1403635750137&ul_noapp=true

Quite a bit of wiggle room, as time has shown.  The white stuff was indeed stinky mold.  It's received its first treatment with white thyme oil.  The thyme oil nearly brought out the serial at the bottom of the bottom joint, and it brought out "HP" over "B♭" on its barrel. 
Title: Re: Good stuff on ebay
Post by: LarryS on March 20, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
Corton? Who?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Corton-clarinet/202934438176?hash=item2f3fd5c920:g:4rkAAOSwhzZebMju