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The Clarinet Pages has some info on Kohlert here:

The Vintage Clarinet Doctor has some info here on dating Kohlert clarinets.

Bohemia puts it pre-WWI as it became Czecho-Slovakia after, so pre-1918.  Post some pictures and someone here might be able to narrow a date down even more and give give an estimate of value.

Welcome aboard. 

Looks like the metal rings have a relatively unique design, I can go through my archive and see if I see anything close

The rings and key work look just like an M. LaCroix I have.  The LeCroix however has Made In France at the top of the upper joint and the serial number at the top of the lower joint.  Bell and barrel only contain the M LaCroix logo.  Past debates have figured this was a Thibouville stencil[size=78%].[/size]

All about Clarinets / Re: Help Identify My Clarinet
« on: December 16, 2019, 07:58:35 PM »
According to the lists that I have been able to find, your serial number 1322 would fall into that 1905 1906 range.  There is one major problem with that, and that is that Frank Holton did not open his plant in Elkhorn Wisconsin until 1917 - 18.  Prior to that, his only plant was in Chicago Illinois. 

I can't be certain, but I think that the common serial number list we find is for brass instruments. is a quick history on PH Hakkert jr. If this is to be believed, he pretty much established the music trade in Rotterdam.  The Music store moved around Rotterdam quite a bit, so if you could figure out when they were at Schiakade 172, you could narrow down the date of your clarinet.

All about Clarinets / Re: Help identifying clarinet
« on: November 25, 2019, 02:23:40 PM »
Quit possibly joints from 2 Buffet B10's, since both joints have the 6 carved into the tenon.  Couldn't tell you if they are legitimate Buffet or Chinese knock-off though.

I'll correct myself,  after a little more digging, here's a site with 3 of them.

According to this, there weren't many made and they don't appear in any of the catalogs.  Definitely a good find.


This site has Conn catalogs going back into the late 1800's.
 The 424N's that I have seen and that show up in the Conn catalogs are all wood, from about 1940 to 1949.  In the 30's and into the 40's there was a 514N that was metal. 
If the serial number lists are correct, yours would be from 1930.

All about Clarinets / Re: Case "CHALLENGE"
« on: May 26, 2019, 07:40:29 AM »
Truly a rare find, although the place for the second mouthpiece could be a better fit, as well as the place for the top joint. What really makes it a rare piece though is that it's a Boosey and Hawkes in the Ohler/German system (cleverly disguised as a Boehm).

Skill Level:not for beginners         Custom Bundle: No
Design:  ÷hler/German System     Type clarinet

All about Clarinets / Re: I'm stumped - Albert system Eb -German?
« on: May 12, 2019, 12:18:45 PM »
Here are some pictures of the key work that may help in identification or possibly dating.  It needs a serious cleaning, but surprisingly the pads seal and it is playable.

After days of consulting the almighty google and coming up empty, it produced a link to another person questioning a similar clarinet.  Theirs had "Sonora" below the SHUTZMARKE with an eagle-like emblem above, and the best guess was a "GDR state owned manufacturer in Markneukirchen" succeeded by Moennig-Adler.

All about Clarinets / I'm stumped - Albert system Eb -German?
« on: May 11, 2019, 05:54:20 PM »
I have here an albert system Eb.   There is a severely beat up logo pictured below, but I can't figure out what it depicts or who made it.  Below the logo is SCHUTMARKE or SCHUT MARKE.  Basically translates from German as trademark. Logo is on the upper and lower joints, nothing on the barrel or bell and no name, serial number or any other markings.

I've tried 3 different cameras and multiple lighting variations and if the angle is a little different or the lighting a little harsher, you'd be hard pressed to tell they were pictures of the same logo.

It came with a wooden mouthpiece that is ringed for a string ligature.

I'm assuming German manufacture, but that's as far as I can get.  Any ideas??

All about Clarinets / Re: Screw for Mazzeo Clarinet Mechanism
« on: May 09, 2019, 06:47:14 PM »
I had the chance to stop by that pawn shop again today, and took a few pictures of the Signet Special Mazzeo.  My question now is: how many variations did Selmer make?  This one does not have the same key work as the one pictured by Jordan.1210 and I assume is different from Dave's.  Close inspection of the key and rod tube doesn't show any sign of there ever being the actuator adjustment piece on it.

All about Clarinets / Re: Screw for Mazzeo Clarinet Mechanism
« on: May 04, 2019, 08:21:12 PM »
Everything I have been able to find on the Selmer USA and Bundy Mazzeo clarinets indicates that these models did not have the adjustable Mazzeo mechanism.  I recently came across a Signet Special Mazzeo Model in a pawn shop and it had a captive plastic nub in the mechanism.

All about Clarinets / Re: Is this a Vito 7214?
« on: February 19, 2019, 08:13:29 PM »
MikeyJoe, yours is a 7114.  You would have to check with your local shop to see if they work on clarinets and what they would charge.  My sons first Vito was older than yours, had synthetic pads and played great for a couple of years before we needed to work on it. Yours might not need a total refurb.

On page 4 of the Official ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone Thread, 350 Rocket explains the model numbering.,1215.45.html

Shmuelyosef, if only it were so easy.  A quick search on eBay comes up with this one, a 7214 (even shows the serial and model) with the old-style straight trill keys.

Airflyte said it best in the very first post of the official vito thread, "researching these Vitos is an adventure that raises some questions!" 

All about Clarinets / Re: Is this a Vito 7214?
« on: February 17, 2019, 02:38:22 PM »
A pretty comprehensive listing of serial numbers for a lot of manufacturers can be found here:

Your Vito should be a 1983.  Airflyte is correct concerning the price.  There is the occasional exception that shows up, but not too often.  Restored to playable condition with all new pads you might double that.

All about Clarinets / Re: Is this a Vito 7214?
« on: February 16, 2019, 10:33:26 AM »
Without seeing the serial number itís hard to tell for sure. The 7214 was marked as such right below the serial number. If it is not marked, it is most likely the 7114 and from the first set of serial numbers in the official list.

All about Clarinets / Re: New metal clarinets!
« on: February 03, 2019, 06:37:39 PM »
In what aspect is the "poor quality" of student-level metal clarinets considered to be? Build quality? Tone? Intonation?

I've only dealt with 2 metal clarinets, both student models.  Most of the tone holes on both were rough inside, some pitted, others with what resembled slag.  The key work on both was a bit soft, so trill keys all needed straightening.  When all was said and done, they were way sharp.  With the barrel pulled as far as it would go and still seal, it was close enough to play with the pep band in a gymnasium.

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