Author Topic: EBONITE McIntyre  (Read 131 times)

Offline DaveLeBlanc

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EBONITE McIntyre
« on: January 24, 2019, 08:46:05 PM »
This is neat. Every now and then a few more McIntyre clues pop up.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/McIntyre-System-Clarinet-Bb-Soprano-Rare-Ebonite-Model-1959-60-Vintage/233108053560?hash=item3646529e38:g:YfcAAOSw7wFcShOS:rk:43:pf:0

I don't think I've ever seen a non-wood McIntyre before. I have seen a wood McIntyre with hard rubber or ebonite barrel and bell, but never one with that material throughout.

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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2019, 07:58:25 PM »
I emailed the lister about this one. He's not the original owner so I don't know how he can claim the pads are original...he also has the case (minus the innards) that he may sell separately at a later date. And no mouthpiece. I have 2 McIntyres with original cases so I think I'll let this one pass...but it sure is pretty :)
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2019, 08:01:51 PM »
I emailed the lister about this one. He's not the original owner so I don't know how he can claim the pads are original...he also has the case (minus the innards) that he may sell separately at a later date. And no mouthpiece. I have 2 McIntyres with original cases so I think I'll let this one pass...but it sure is pretty :)
I'm very jealous...
I have two McIntyres myself, but not nearly complete. One is missing case, bell, barrel, and mouthpiece.
The other one appears to be incomplete from the factory, as the upper joint is missing all the keys.

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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2019, 08:10:42 PM »
Don't be jealous.
I have to do some repadding before I can really try to play them but I am TERRIFIED of taking any keys off either of them.
So they silently taunt me every time I walk in the room  :'(

The good thing is you and I BOTH have twice as many McIntyres as the Metropolitan Museum of Art  8)
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2019, 08:27:15 PM »
Don't be jealous.
I have to do some repadding before I can really try to play them but I am TERRIFIED of taking any keys off either of them.
So they silently taunt me every time I walk in the room  :'(

The good thing is you and I BOTH have twice as many McIntyres as the Metropolitan Museum of Art  8)

DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THOSE KEYS. Man.

I offered a member here, Bbrandha, a deal. If I couldn't successfully overhaul the McIntyre, I would not charge for anything and cover return shipping.

I suppose you can guess what happened from there.

Those keys are insane. If you don't absolutely need to take off the McSystem keys due to catastrophic pad decay or something, then absolutely don't.
It's like trying to glue a broken vase back together. Possible, but only if you're a real pro.

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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2019, 08:28:09 PM »
The good thing is you and I BOTH have twice as many McIntyres as the Metropolitan Museum of Art  8)

And I bet they don't even mess with the keys on theirs!
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2019, 10:57:04 AM »
So when do your clarinet museums open?  Star exhibit will no doubt be 4 McIntyre system clarinets! 

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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2019, 01:03:41 PM »
So when do your clarinet museums open?  Star exhibit will no doubt be 4 McIntyre system clarinets!

Mine's open now. Tickets are $2500 each but you can get a pair in exchange for a paperclip contrabass....
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2019, 07:23:36 PM »
Haha.  I'll have to save up for a visit....

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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2019, 06:44:23 AM »
Good morning, Gents!  It's been a while.

I am the seller of said McIntyre.

Just to clarify, I am nigh certain that the pads are original, despite the fact that, as you correctly surmise, Noneyet, it has not been in my possession since new.  Your speculation is entirely fair, but if I may, I'll offer the following for your consideration:

I am an experienced collector and restorer, and have extensive experience from years of exposure and examination in determining the relative age of a pad from it's materials, and state of decomposition.

In freeing a screw, most restorers do not have the patience or forethought to soak the threads ahead of time, in expectation of stiction.  While some screws come out easily, there are always a few one has to fight.  When fighting a flat head screw that has not been appropriately prepped for removal, the technician will "swage" the drive head, distorting it to some degree. 

None of the adjustment and retention screws show any wear, whatsoever, indicating the high likelihood that keys have never been removed.  There are no tool marks or scratches on any of the keys from scraping, there is no pad-cup adhesive overflow from fitment of new pads, or any of the other common indicators like abrasion marks in the finish, razor scuffs on the key flats where regulation cork rests, and all of the pads match, identically.  While the expert craftsman could prevent all of these aforementioned damages, the likelihood is extremely slim, given the entirety of things to examine.

Additionally, all of the key and tenon corks (with exception to the aforementioned replaced one) are original, and all similarly deteriorated. 

No technician worth his weight in salt would leave an old cork in place to do a re-pad, when it is so easy to service them then, and a technician who was NOT worth his weight in salt would have left indicators of tampering and crude barbarism behind, in some form.  I can find none.

No; this one is virginal.  This is part of the reason why I felt constantly compelled never to touch it, myself, even though I am very careful, and a re-pad/re-cork would have been an easy enough task for me.  And I certainly would not have trusted it to just any professional, either, as most wouldn't know how to handle the advanced mechanism, or take good enough notes in the disassembly process in order to preserve functionality.  In my mind, I could only ever diminish the value of it by meddling.

Perhaps the saving grace for this clarinet was its relative complexity, and the fear it instilled in the ham-fisted mechanic.  Also, due to their relative rarity and conversational appeal, I suspect that most would care not whether it played, but that it remained intact.
It is a different enough system that the casual player likely would not be bothered paying for a restoration when they likely wouldn't play it anyway.
 
Just my .02, but I stand by it fully.
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2019, 06:47:50 AM »
Photos of the case.  Is it original?  I dunno.
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2019, 06:48:59 AM »
Another photo:
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2019, 04:53:11 PM »
McIntyre system? That looks odd, lots of little keys near the top, and the C is a key.
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2019, 05:39:38 PM »
The idea was to reform the throat tone notes with a system thatís allowed you to play Ab, A, and Bb without lifting any fingers up.

Was supposed to keep the notes in tune and allow for faster playing.

Nothing too special about the ring on the C, you see that every now and then on mostly vintage instruments.
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Re: EBONITE McIntyre
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2019, 07:10:11 PM »
Mine is now fully restored thanks to the Vintage Clarinet Doctor. And he actually stills speaks to me, but it was touch and go for a while!