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Offline LarryS

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Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« on: January 28, 2019, 04:09:34 PM »
One thing that has struck me. When playing clarinet you hold the instrument in such a way that the mpc is almost vertical to the mouth, so you are blowing across the reed rather than through it.  I was constantly told to lower my clarinet, a practice I have now adopted and my playing has improved-it makes perfect sense now. But then I see sax players. Similar instrument but look at the mpc angle. Its placed in the mouth the way a recorder is-almost straight in. And yet, despite it being a reed instrument, the player gets clear and strong sound. Also, do sax players use double lip embouchure?
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2019, 04:34:19 PM »
Great question.

Certain bass clarinets have necks that point out at a 90 degree angle; essentially making the playing position like a saxophone. Most players hate these necks.

Most of the sax players I saw in school bands held the sax to the side, allowing for the mouthpiece to be a bit more vertical.

I often see jazz saxophonists hold the sax at in front, so that they are blowing through the reed.

I think it must depend on playing style. Again, in my experience in school bands most, if not all of the sax players did NOT use a double-lip embouchure.
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2019, 08:17:17 PM »
All single reed players should use (at least try) double-lip embouchure, take in more MP than you think is needed and support the air column with the diaphragm. Every muscle above that should be as loose as possible. At first, the sound will be a bit crass but only then can the sweet spot be found. Altissimo will be effortless and as thick as can be.

Try it for daily for 15 days and if your tone and control do not improve, then go back to what probably wasn't working so well to begin with (works the best for your physiology).

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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2019, 09:55:42 PM »
I haven't ever run into a clarinet player (or sax player), professional or otherwise that used a double lip embouchure. There must be a reason for this.....
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2019, 11:08:05 PM »
Iíve alwshs been taught that the two biggest sins of playing are 1) puffed cheeks and 2) double lip...

Then again Iím by no means an authority at all on good playing practices
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2019, 04:55:29 AM »
Seems there are two school of thought on double lip
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2019, 05:50:43 AM »
If God had intended us to play double lip he would have given us all oboes.


                                                                                                                                 

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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2019, 11:30:04 AM »
That was a bit harsh. I just edited my original post. I do apologize as it's a very personal thing. Larry, I guess I hijacked your thread. Sorry about that.

There are advantages to "no teeth on beak".

https://artistworks.com/blog/clarinet-embouchure-why-double-lip-better

http://www.richardstoltzman.com/blog/2015/1/30/ltgtr13d95tece98oz3tmzl7bmgek4

https://mramusicplace.net/2015/07/19/double-lip-embouchure-and-the-clarinet/

http://www.theclarinet.co.uk/articles/double-lip-technique/
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2019, 12:21:53 PM »
I haven't ever run into a clarinet player (or sax player), professional or otherwise that used a double lip embouchure. There must be a reason for this.....

I assume it's how they were initially taught.
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2019, 02:23:06 PM »
I've known several double lip players, and have actually used that embouchure myself occasionally across the years.  It's actually great for training yourself (and strengthening the muscles) for good clarinet embouchure.  I still use it on occasion for specific passages.  Just a personal choice...

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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2019, 03:09:09 PM »
Funny thing is I have used double lip, but I stopped using it when I was told it was a no no. But when I first started playing I found that it was easier to get the tone when using double lip. Now I have a bit more experience I might try it again!
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2019, 06:46:17 PM »
I've heard that double lip is more common in Europe. Anyone else hear that?
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2019, 06:33:36 PM »
That could be. It's actually the "original" clarinet embouchure when the reeds were placed at the top of the mouth piece.


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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2019, 11:53:19 PM »
I wonder if those who play with the instrument held straight out, such as Acker Bilk or Kenny G (straight sax) use double lip?
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Re: Difference between sax and clarinet playing
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 12:19:53 PM »
Probably, would be a bit tough not to at that angle
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