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All about Clarinets / Re: "A Buffet" Albert system
« on: January 26, 2018, 03:44:24 PM »
Interesting. Perhaps early stencil heaven? These French common law brands are difficult to trace to makers and even if you find the maker at one time, 5 years later another maker is using the same brand. Usually most of the prime suspects are desirable makers. Any peculiar marks? You might want to compare it to my CLP Couesnon, which might be a little later.


All about Clarinets / Re: A. Hindley Simple Bb LP, functional sculpture.
« on: January 16, 2018, 03:03:27 PM »
That Hindley looks like a Hawkes stencil to me.
It might be a stencil, but as usual I am cautious because so many clarinets from a country built about the same time are similar. I would assume that a large maker like Hawkes built a number of stenciled instruments.

Additionally, I have seen a Pellisson Freres (French) that is quite similar and made for export to England. It would be good to see a Hawkes next to this one. I don’t have one, but I will keep my eye out for one like this.

All about Clarinets / Re: besson & co clarinet
« on: January 13, 2018, 04:35:48 PM »
The key work is quite similar to an A. Hindley clarinet that I featured on an earlier thread. this was a common type in England at the time but the name given to it escapes me. The distinguishing element is the way A and G# are laid out on the upper.


The socket rings are also similarly flat.

Bakelite was in common use after about 1915. It’s fairly easy to spot Bakelite side by side with hard rubber. While it can be scratched, it is far more resistant to light scratching than rubber and has a very crystalline sound when tapped with a hard substance and the engravings tend to have very sharp, precise lines.
The best looking Bakelite entire clarinets I have seen were by H. Bettoney. Many others feature Bakelite bells and barrels or mouthpieces, but usually not joints.

All about Clarinets / Re: besson & co clarinet
« on: January 11, 2018, 06:10:28 PM »
The features are consistent with 1890s to 1920s, and I would guess it is hard rubber or Bakelite since there was no real plastic that early. It looks gorgeous and I have not seen too many Besson woodwinds.

All about Clarinets / Re: D. Noblet G. LeBlanc Succ. La Couture
« on: January 08, 2018, 01:56:07 PM »
Another joint pair and bell with the dual marking just sold on eBay for a very nice price.  :) :) :)

So I will keep my eyes pealed for a bell and barrel to match. My investment in the joint pair was a tiny fraction of this recent sale price. The pair I have is the same HP Bb Albert type as the recent sale.


All about Clarinets / Re: Old Clarinet maker?
« on: January 07, 2018, 02:54:06 PM »
Hm. Best I can recommend is to look at as many suspected maker examples you can find. I also have an early 6 key, similar vintage, but no marks. Best I can figure from features is England/New England for mine. It’s quite different from yours. I am glad you have it playable. It could be useful for authentic classical period performance.

All about Clarinets / Re: M. R. Verney clarinet by J. T. L.
« on: January 06, 2018, 04:19:08 PM »
As I put together parts, the history of makers and brands also comes together.  :)

The abused M.R. Verney modele Breveté that arrived with an accessory tunable Mercado USA barrel now has a barrel marked E. Bercioux, Paris, Breveté, thanks to an eBay seller. It is the same length and bore as the other Verney barrel, larger outer dimensions more like earlier JTL Legion D’honneur models.

It’s probably as close as I can get to original unless I luck into one like it marked Verney. E. Bercioux was the successor to Martin Thibouville and patented the mechanism on the JTL built Verney modele Breveté. As the Bercioux barrel is also marked “Breveté”, it is apparent that E. Bercioux marked clarinets were also built with the mechanism and this barrel came from one of those.

The Mercado tunable barrel might have been an “original” accessory provided by Wurlitzer, USA, but the plain wood Bercioux is a far better match. Even the font styles match.




All about Clarinets / Re: Old Clarinet maker?
« on: January 06, 2018, 01:54:09 PM »
With round key heads it might be circa 1820ish. It looks to be in 6 parts with a bell, stock, lower joint, upper joint, barrel, and mouthpiece. Are there any marks anywhere?

For that age, it’s in great shape.

All about Clarinets / Re: Lafayette Albert LP review
« on: January 03, 2018, 12:50:48 PM »
Another thought;- look for marks under the keys like I found on the other early Lafayette. These could be clues to a maker.

All about Clarinets / Re: L. Prokop Chrudim Albert Bb clarinet review
« on: January 02, 2018, 12:26:23 PM »
I see two screws for the springs on the long left pinkie levers, similar to thr Austrian CH JEROME, but otherwise it looks more German than the Jerome.

All about Clarinets / Re: A New Aquisition: Mid 1930s MBIC Pedler
« on: January 02, 2018, 12:17:06 PM »
I think the first MBIC Pedler I took a chance on came from a seller who had it and a very nice D. Noblet available at the same time, both good prices. I also was immediately impressed and felt that these were under valued considering the quality construction and materials. I was not disappointed by the sound or playability either. There seem to be quite a good number of these still in restorable condition, which makes them great candidates.

All about Clarinets / Re: Harry Bettoney - The Cundy-Bettoney Co.
« on: December 30, 2017, 07:31:16 PM »
That’s the best summary of the early history of this company that I have seen! Well done. This is one of my favorite USA makers. Are you up for starting a serial list? I don’t think there is a reliable one on the web.

All about Clarinets / Re: A New Aquisition: Mid 1930s MBIC Pedler
« on: December 30, 2017, 07:09:36 PM »

All about Clarinets / Re: Vintage wooden clarinet
« on: December 30, 2017, 07:08:46 PM »
Metal inserts in the tone holes? I think that narrows it down. I’m guessing 1850 to 1870. Let me do some reading...

All about Clarinets / Re: Lafayette Albert LP review
« on: December 30, 2017, 06:49:02 PM »
The barrel appears to be from a later Couesnon Lafayette model, after Couesnon located to Lafayette Street. The rest is similar to a pair of circa 1900 Lafayette marked Albert types I am working on, but yours has more rings.

While I am relatively certain these are from a La Couture maker, I am quite certain that these 1900 Lafayette marked clarinets are not Couesnon.

It would be interesting to see one side by side with a JTL with similar features. Most of the French clarinets built at any given time look quite similar.

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