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All about Clarinets / Re: Morning has Broken
« on: September 05, 2021, 06:45:06 PM »
That was nice, Larry.  One of my favorite songs.

All about Clarinets / Re: No Branding on Clarinet or Serial Number
« on: September 05, 2021, 06:26:31 PM »
Fascinating! I have never seen anything like it. Is this still a 12ths instrument or is the register key also an octave key, like a sax?

All about Clarinets / Re: Pedler frankenhorn: which piece is from what?
« on: September 05, 2021, 06:21:07 PM »
This is an original Premier model.  Note the wire crow's foot.  This was Pedler's first design.  Thanks to Lisa, I now have an authentic AMC Groneet-Pedler with no markings at all, and I know it is Pedler's because of keywork alone.  This crow's foot design was dropped in the late 1920s, and was used on a few models including Pedler's offshoot business; La Premiere Francais clarinets.  So, this is a True Harry Pedler in ebonite (hard rubber), and was made prior to 1929.  Nice find. Let me know if you have any additional questions, and please post up pics of the other sides of the top amd bottom joints.

Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« on: June 14, 2021, 11:48:40 AM »
I have seen the schematics on-line.  Been years, now, but they exist out there, somewhere.  May have been a brochure that was being sold with a McIntyre, a few years back.

Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« on: June 13, 2021, 07:02:50 AM »
Excellent!  Am a mechanic, first and foremost, in all my engagement with the world, and the McIntyre is, in my estimation, a true marvel of mechanical complexity and sheer brilliance.  It also weighs notably more than your average Soprano Bb, as a result of the rather prodigious "break" cage-like keywork .  Nice aquisition!

Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« on: June 12, 2021, 05:01:34 PM »
McIntyre time folks!  Two are listed at give-away prices on Ebay.  "Buy It Now", too.  You might wait a while to see one again, and next time, they won't be this cheap, I suspect.



Interesting observation, Modernicus.  I suspect something must have changed to have them drop the "SGDG" stamp.  It might be worth going down a French "Rabbit Hole", as I find that sort of thing fascinating, too, though I do not envy your quest.  Was it assumed by then that the government would offer no guarantee,  or did the government begin to "back" clarinets toward the end of the 19th century?  Very curious.

Mike:  Please post photos.  I would love to see your clarinet.

About a month ago, I was browsing Ebay for Harry Pedler clarinets, and unmarked Albert System clarinets as I do when time permits.  I stumbled upon a curiosity, and I knew at once what I was viewing.  Interestingly, the keywork configuration was intriguing. While Harry Pedler was not seemingly very interested in serializing his own clarinets (I would love to know why, as his contemporaries certainly did), he was very diligent about stamping his name into mouthpieces, bells and barrels, and to a lesser degree--top joints.   This particular clarinet is missing all branding, bears no serial number, and is neither a Model 152 (2 ring, non-roller pinky keys), Model 1544 ( 4 ring, non-roller pinky keys), or a Model 1554 (5 ring, full-roller).  It is instead a 4 ring, full roller pinky key model, made of Ebonite (of course).  This "hybrid" model is not listed as an offering from Harry Pedler in any literature I possess or can find.  It would, however, have been regarded as rather advanced for 1916, before full Albert System clarinets evolved to 5 rings.  So, is it a Gronert?    We may never know,  but my guess is that it could well be, and is at the very least, one of Harry Pedler's first efforts.   Perhaps this one was made by a factory worker who wanted a "one-off" model, or perhaps it was intended to be made for branding as a stenciled clarinet.  Harry Pedler had several stenciled and pseudonym labels in the early years.  Of the dozen or so original pre-1931 Harry Pedlers I now have, it is the only one without any logo, and I very nearly missed adding it to my collection, but for a rather unusual second chance.

Harry Pedler's first logo was the Diamond pattern.  It was short lived, and I have seen no evidence of it having been used after the wrap-around register key was discontinued in 1923 or 1924. On the left, you will see my Model 152, so adorned with the diamond logo, as well as the "Kesselman, O'driscoll Cō. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Distributors" stamp on the bell.  In the center is my Model 1544, also with the diamond logo.  On the right is my newest acquisition;  a full-roller Model 1544, sans logo. Frankly, It is a bit of a mess, but the keys are intact, despite most springs being frozen or inoperable.  The body is unbroken, and the hard rubber looks very good, despite being faded in places.  It will restore nicely, I believe. 
View the keywork, and you will quite clearly see that it can be none other than Harry's work.  Is this an authentic "AMC", made between 1916-1919 or an early Harry Pedler and Co. made between 1919 and 1923? You be the judge:

I appreciate the new contributions and interest in Harry Pedler, folks.  Epicness937-- If you got that Eefer from that famous auction site, I saw it.  Pedler Eefers are difficult to find, and I have only ever seen a couple, and have never handled one.  Congrats!  Regarding the missing register vent, you might be able to modify some other salvage Pedler for it.  I do not recall:  Is it a wrap-around or a rear-mount modern style?  The F thumb vent should not be hard to replace, as it can be cut from tube stock.   Regarding the barrel, finding a Harry Pedler Eb one will prove rather challenging, but if memory serves, yours came with a C.G.Conn barrel, and that is as close to original as is needed, since Harry Pedler probably made (or at least designed) that one too, anyway, and it is quite likely an intonational "perfect match".

Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« on: May 22, 2021, 09:09:45 PM »
Right.  I might go 50 bux, because the upper and lower joints are intact, and look workable.

Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« on: May 21, 2021, 05:42:26 AM »
I hope to try one someday.

Fascinating!  I have never seen an all-metal Bass clari net from Harry Pedler.  The serial number is rather high, so I wonder if these were made for a few years for marching bands, or the like.  Thank you for sharing sharing that.  I certainly think it's worthy of restoration, and it pre-dates 1938.

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