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Make and Model lists and research / Pruefer
« on: April 01, 2021, 04:35:54 PM »
Might as well start a new thread.
I picked up a 2(4) piece plastic Pruefer festival model.  I know the serial number lists on the net are all numeric.  Problem i have is that the serial on this one starts with an e and as such i cant really nail down a production year.  E01294, the thing looks like brand new, i mean very light scratching and everything is shinny(only one broken needle spring).  Bell is stamped BD of ED NYC ESEA #1.  So it seems to be a school instrument out of the NYC school system which seems to have seen little to no service.  My best guess as far as the age, I am going to guess somewhere maybe late 60's the earliest to somewhere in the mid 70's.
Does anyone have any filler info they could supply?

All about Clarinets / Harwood LP A
« on: April 01, 2021, 03:52:35 PM »
Picked up a Harwood Professional, didn't notice but it was an A key.  It is in ok shape, going to need standard tune up.  Probably paid too much for it but its something new for me.
Register is a top side, bell marked in circle harwood professional j.w.j.s.m.co under which is made in czechq-slovakia and what im guessing is the serial # 1368 or there abouts.  Don't see any other markings on the body other than  A LP, and barrel is marked with the makers mark in circle.  Wood is fairly light, doesn't seem to be stained too dark, and IMO the grain isn't too dense.  Has the feel and look more of a student instrument than a professional.  Bell is stuck right now but that will be taken care of and some of the rings are loose, also will be taken care of.  Came with a chipped MP which was dried out which was stuck as well.  It looks  like it was hanging in a window or something by the driedoutness of the MP rubber.  Minimal rust and discoloration of keywork so I'm guessing it is not too old.
Is this a stencil?  I am not sure.  Kind of interested if anyone has heard of them, quality of instrument, desirability etc. If anyone could give me a hand with basic info I would be most appreciative.

Make and Model lists and research / Jupiter clarinets
« on: December 18, 2020, 06:28:22 PM »
From what I read, the Jupiters are roughly equivalent to the Yamaha's.  I'm trying to figure out the model order to them.
The current production is the 700 series. Jcl700n/s, jcl750n/s, also the JCL 1100s/ds.
Can anyone direct me to a list of the older models and differences or fill me in on the models and differences.
I know the 631 and 635 seem the be the old standard students. Not sure how they are different. capital edition cec 630 , carnige xl, JCL 637 are some other models.
Not worried about their line of bass clarinets.

Trading Post / Interesting auctions
« on: December 02, 2020, 06:24:42 PM »
Thought this would be fun to see how auctions pan out and what instruments bring in and the interest in them.
This one I just watched  this one end with the price go from 150 to 421 in the space of 5 minutes. The horns collectively are worth it in my opinion. A selmet Paris and an A penzel plus 3 others. Personally I think it went cheap.

All about Clarinets / Similarities
« on: November 04, 2020, 10:50:22 AM »
Shape of the instrument is pretty much universal, placement of register can vary a little.
What I am looking at is similarities in engravings in particular. The stars on the metal horns are a common theme that I see. I noticed that the shield on the Stanton and gloritone are fairly similar as well. Could this mean that many of the metal horns are stenciled from a common source and engraved for particular companies?  Also the way the barrel fits onto it is not always the same as barrel shape and adaptation.
Common Couesnon thiboville sml all made stencils as well as many others.
Just wondering.

All about Clarinets / 30 dollar train wreck
« on: October 15, 2020, 07:47:38 PM »
On so here it goes.
I picked up a kind of rough looking piece of wood with some keys attached to it. It was a little more run down than I thought. It came with the bell but no barrel so no biggie. I was kind of figuring on just using it for parts even though it was missing the lower b-f key.  What kind of surprised was that I can't find any cracks in the wood, nothing that would be considered a crack as opposed to grain.
With that in mind I figured I might as well have a go at saving it. I've had to cut 5 of the screws that were really stuck and stripped the whole body of posts. Only problem is I broke the threaded bit of the right pinky levers (b c)in the inside post.  What I need a little help with is can I unscrew those inside posts or am I going to have to get the threads out some other way?

All about Clarinets / Barely legable serial numbers
« on: October 05, 2020, 12:03:37 PM »
OK so as an instrument gains age through usage it wears in certain areas more then others. What I am wondering is if the serial number on said instrument is either worn down or was never imprinted too well, if it is advisable to try to deepen or restrike it.
I am of the opinion of not touching it. I don't know if it would effect any value it has or any other consequences that may come from doing such a thing.
Am I correct to be cautious?

Make and Model lists and research / Linton, where did it come from?
« on: September 21, 2020, 07:18:42 PM »
OK so following on the success of my last post......
I have had in my possession for the past few weeks(in my garage hiding it from the wife) a Linton horn. I had read a little that they were made by various manufacturers. Don't know if I have that right or not. I did a quick search here and it didn't turn up much except that it may have a barrel insert. Wasn't really expecting that but I looked and to my surprise it was. It has a small bore 14.75.
The instrument itself looks barely used. Only problem i had was the bottom of the mouthpiece (3/8" abouts) had broken off in the barrel. I pulled it out and abs cemented it back on the mp. I doubt I'm going to use it but hey whatever. Funny, pads hardly looked used, some don't even have hole impressions. Seating of the pads looks horrible if indication of the impressions on the pads them self loon unbalanced. Otherwise everything looks to be sound.
Question is who made it, if not Linton, and what sort of time frame am i looking at. Malerne, sml?
Serial reads 10w 12847

Picked this one up pretty cheap, they don't seem to go for a lot. Information on them is just about zero on their origin and about anything else you may want to know about them as far as I am able to find out. I dont think it is as hard to identify the maker as say a Lafayette or maybe Carl fisher.
I'm not too knowledgeable about key work from different manufacturers so if it is a stencil I wouldn't be able to attribute it to anyone. By the over all condition I wouldn't think it made much later than 50-60's time frame. It is serialized 3669 on both joints. It was receiver pretty clean, there are a few minor cracks most at the top of the lower joint. I think that is common. It is missing the ring for whatever reason.  2 small bell cracks as well. There is little to no rust on any of the metal which is a nice thing.
I am not able to find any records of a H Landau for instrument makers, though a town which flip flops between Germany and France is named Landau but that seems a non issue. There are other people of note with the last name of Landau but none of those I found fit. Any information would be helpful.

All about Clarinets / Case linings
« on: September 06, 2020, 03:59:06 AM »
I have been struggling with finding a more appropriate material for lining the inside of a case. I have already redone 2 cases with a poly velvet. Wile it is soft enough and will more than likely last a long time it seems to be lacking in a few areas.
One is the material itself. It is a man made and it will deteriorate over time and the off gases will not take kindly to metal.
Another is the thickness of said material. It is relatively thin. It provides some amount of cushion but I wouldn't mind thicker.
Now I notice that the older cases have either a thick twill loop whatever type of either cotton or wool liner. It is a natural material which seems to hold up pretty well considering some of it is 50 plus years old. If I am correct, rayon is made from bamboo. Does rayon count as a natural material?
So my question is what is this sort of material called more specifically, not velvet or suede. I have been looking around and from what little better have found is that it is some sort of upholstery. Anyone have experience with this sort of thing?

All about Clarinets / Metal 4 piece
« on: August 11, 2020, 04:06:48 PM »
Just received this one today. Its a little "waxy" so going to need a good cleaning. Geo m Bundy Paris. Came in a selmer case sans the handles and some of the exterior leather. I think I got it for an OK price. Supposed to be an intermediate.  Anyway, has anyone had any experience with one of these and how they play? 
I am going to resto it no matter, it looks like its still in good shape. There is a small crease or two in the bell but that shouldnt be too much concern.  As for the restoration, I have read that metals do well with leather pads but have redone 2 others with regular felts and they seem to play just fine. Is this more a matter of preference and sound intonation?
Kinda looking forward to making this one all shinny.

Trading Post / (Buying) penzel parts
« on: July 21, 2020, 03:14:03 PM »
OK this is going to be a long shot but I am looking for a bell and barrel to compliment a pm artist. Serial is end of numeric before they switched to the alpha prefix.
Im pretty sure there might be one or two laying in some dusty box in a house to old repair shop somewhere. Not going to hold my breath.
Short of someone actually having them, maybe someone could give me the number or name of a shop(s) that could be worth contacting. Any leads would be appreciated.

Separate note, I have a pm what I'm assuming is an alto ligature. Isolation plate style used, in decient shape. If anyone is interested. 


All about Clarinets / Arts and crafts projects
« on: July 10, 2020, 05:50:28 PM »
So I bought a gloritone not too long ago knowing full well it didn't come with the barrel adapter. Price wasn't spectacular so was sort of a brain fart on my part. I tried a conn adapter piece but it was way out of tune, being way too short. I don't know how in tune it was to begin with. I cleaned and repaded it already, it was filthy to put it mildly.
Anyway it was pretty futile looking for one so with my meager metal working skills I grabbed some aluminium bar stock and drill and ground a new one. It plays lower register alright but as I move up it goes out. I'm sure my dimensions are off, didn't really have anything to reference so if anyone can give me a hand with those I would appreciate it. As it stands now the inside bore is .565 which is probably a little small. The length, which is what seems to matter on this, is 2.9". Mouthpiece pocket is a little tight but I don't think that is an issue.

All about Clarinets / Pieces of history? Parts or instrument.
« on: June 23, 2020, 04:41:01 PM »
Got me another PM, an artist this time. 17093 so it has a few years under its pads. It is in rough shape few issues to sort out but no cracks in the body. Now here is my problem, it did not come.with.its original bell and barrel. Is there any sort of reliable place to source pieces like this or is it more wait and see what ends up on the auction boards? 
Something that has made it this far I would really hate to see in a parts box somewhere. Wondering if anyone else has this sort of sympathy for the 'vintage' items we come across.

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