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All about Clarinets / Re: a very early C soprano clarinet
« on: December 05, 2022, 08:30:04 AM »
I just got a very early HP C soprano clarinet. It has no manufacturer or serial number, just an HP above a C. It's marked on the barrel and bell. It has only 2 rings on the right hand and 13 keys. It is complete, including a mouthpiece, but no case. Any idea where I can find an old style case for this.

I'm debating whether I should leave it as it is to sell, repad and recork it so I can play test it or whether I should completely refurbish it. Does anyone have any ideas?

It's worthless.  Don't waste any time or money on it.

All about Clarinets / Re: Tarogato Discussion
« on: May 02, 2022, 09:20:28 AM »
That's Gregus Pal from Hungary.  I bought a tenor tarogato from him a few years ago. 

Yes, that's an Eb clarinet at the front.  I didn't know he'd made one of those.  That's an octavin that he's holding.

The alto tarogatos on the left are copies of a very rare Stowasser that Scott Robinson measured for him.  The ones of the right I believe are copies of a Shunda instrument with a simpler mechanism and smaller tone holes.  As I remember, those ones only have a single octave key (like Shunda's soprano tarogatos) and are very difficult to play.

All about Clarinets / Re: Tarogato Discussion
« on: April 26, 2022, 01:53:05 PM »
If you want a taragota for display purposes, you can find them for nothing being manufactured out of Pakistan out of some real nasty wood.

Really?  Do you have a link?

All about Clarinets / Re: Tarogato Discussion
« on: March 20, 2022, 09:36:44 AM »
Do they use clarinet mpc/reeds?

Clarinet reeds but a different mouthpiece.  The internal geometry is very different from a clarinet or saxophone mouthpiece.  Having said that, some people have managed to modify a soprano sax mouthpiece to work.  In the UK Ed Pillinger makes them to order. János Grúber in Hingary also makes mouthpieces.

Buying a tarogato is a bit of a minefield. There are a lot of poor quality instruments out there. 

Only old Sowasser instruments can really be recommended but there are a lot of fakes about so you have to be careful.  József Tóth and the new reborn Stowasser company in in Hungary both make good new instruments.  My own was made by Stephen Fox in Canada but I had it made before new Hungarian ones were easily available.


All about Clarinets / Re: Tarogato Discussion
« on: March 01, 2022, 10:26:16 AM »
Ah Scott Robinson.  A great player.   I met him at the World Tarogato Congress in 2015 and then toured Hungary with him and the World Tarogato Ensemble. 


All about Clarinets / Re: Clarinet newbie
« on: December 31, 2021, 01:03:15 PM »
I'm afraid there's no chance of that happening - I don't mind knocking my front teeth out, but I ain't switching to no boehm system.

What the hell has the key system got to do with it?

All about Clarinets / Re: Clarinet newbie
« on: December 31, 2021, 01:02:31 PM »
work on a nice clean sound first. the world dosnt need another acker bilk

Why not?   There isn't one any more.

Thanks for the clarification, Windsong. Now it kind of makes sense, as even whiskeys from that time in France had the same inscription on them. Had hope that it would lead to some model name or something like that, as many Buffet models have their names below the brand logo. Guess that unless some expert in old Buffet clarinets chimes in, that will be unknown...
While searching i came across more 3 or 4 similar clarinets, all from Buffet and ranging from 1898 to 1905, so it seems that still there are some of them out there.

They didn't have model names back then.  The nearest thing you might find is a catalogue number but even that isn't really a model number.

All about Clarinets / Re: Extra key - Penzel Muller Artist
« on: October 03, 2021, 07:02:07 AM »
It's when you have an open hole followed by one or more closed holes like on simpler instruments like recorders and early clarinets.  Forked fingerings usually sound weak and often have tuning issues.  Modern instruments' mechanisms are designed to eliminate the need for many of them (e.g Eb/Bb side key) and improve most of those that remain (e.g. fork B/F#).

And before you ask, you could very well argue that the the long Eb/Bb is a forked fingering too.

All about Clarinets / Re: Extra key - Penzel Muller Artist
« on: September 13, 2021, 09:51:26 AM »
The mechanism is for fork (1+3) Eb/Bb rather than a correction key for the long (1+1) Eb/Bb.  i.e. a fingering that is not available without it.

It may or may not improve the long Eb/Bb in the lower register which is the one that is always horribly sharp.  The upper register long Bb is normally perfectly acceptable tuning wise.

All about Clarinets / Re: Careless Love - Acoustic Guitar and Clarinet
« on: August 16, 2021, 02:51:43 AM »
Very nice!

I used to do similar tunes.

This is me on clarinet, ukulele, digital piano and double bass samples about 10 years ago.


All about Clarinets / Re: No Branding on Clarinet or Serial Number
« on: July 25, 2021, 07:58:02 AM »
Trying to work out what the label on the case says, it looks German, like Echt Vulkan Flute

It says Echt Vulkan Fiber.  Genuine Vulcanised Fibre in English.  A board material something like cardboard impregnated with rubber.  It was often used to make suitcases.  It may still be for all I know.

All about Clarinets / Re: No Branding on Clarinet or Serial Number
« on: July 12, 2021, 04:31:48 AM »
Actually, now that I look again, the upper joint is Boehm system too.  Long Eb/Bb connexion, all four side keys (missing touchpiece on the top one) and the Boehm throat F/F# mechanism.

I had never realised they were like that.  I'd always assumed they had a forked F/C like a sax.

All about Clarinets / Re: No Branding on Clarinet or Serial Number
« on: July 11, 2021, 07:00:21 AM »
Another, more generic name for these is Plateau clarinet - these come in Boehm and Albert key systems, but much less common in Albert.

The Albert is a bit old fashioned, and the register key is on the side.

The material is advertised on the case - Vulcan Fibre. I would say this is between 1910 and 1920.

It's neither Boehm nor Albert.  It's called a sax fingering clarinet. The lower joint's has a fork B/F# mechanism like a Boehm but is Albert like other than that.

All about Clarinets / Re: Saxonette?
« on: July 07, 2021, 04:24:32 AM »
It makes it easier to mic.

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