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I agree that the keywork appears different than the typical Artist or Brilliante, and the composition, as evidenced by the speckled glint, is no doubt bakelite.  I am afraid I cannot offer much more than that. 
That light-bleached imaging shadow is very curious!

Make and Model lists and research / Re: A baffling Selmer
« on: May 21, 2024, 01:02:19 PM »
I found a "B" batch mark behind the pinky cluster today.
Sure looks like C1930s to me.  There is also that very nice lower joint rod key stack post lock though, and I've not found another Selmer with that yet. 

Make and Model lists and research / Re: A baffling Selmer
« on: May 21, 2024, 06:59:06 AM »
Indeed.  I found the gent you mentioned, and I thank you again for the recommendation.  More research points to the possibility that this may be an early Balanced Tone, before they went to the hexagonal speaker vent.

Make and Model lists and research / Re: A baffling Selmer
« on: May 20, 2024, 09:30:00 AM »
Thank you, Rocket.  That certainly sounds right to me.  There is literally nothing on this clarinet that speaks to 1972, IMO.

All about Clarinets / Re: 1917
« on: May 19, 2024, 03:41:52 PM »
So prior to 1905, there was little question but that the instrument was in HP.  At least not for the largest American musical instrument manufacturer of the time!  That is good information, and it would be interesting to see how it stood in contrast to other manufacturers' protocols

All about Clarinets / Re: Conn 424 and 444 model features?
« on: May 19, 2024, 03:32:33 PM »
It was a done deal @ $295.  I don't like shelling out that type of coin for "case art", but this one boasted a recent restoration, and a near perfect body, so doing the math and the probabilities, accompanied with good photos, I went for it.  The seller did not lie.  In fact, it appears he did not do it justice.
This thing is so sweet. I can whisper high clarion through it, and with very little resistance. 

Make and Model lists and research / Re: A baffling Selmer
« on: May 19, 2024, 03:07:21 PM »
Thanks Dave.  Here are more photos, now that I am back from the mountains.  Reception was not good, and transmission of files, random.

It certainly looks like 1930s keywork to me.  I picked it up because I was thinking 1937 or so.  It is a cherry.  I came home, plugged in my favorite MP, and she played, top to bottom.  Very nice sound.  Mellow; not authoritative, but controlled.  Not as loud or bright as a PM, but easier to tame.  This would have been like Benny's early horns.

Make and Model lists and research / A baffling Selmer
« on: May 18, 2024, 07:13:12 PM »
I bought a nice French-made Selmer for a song at a curiosity shop today--serial: X56xx 

It's my first Selmer, so I have no experience with them, but I have reason to doubt the prevailing serial number lists on-line, because keywork does not jibe with the time it was supposedly manufactured--1972.  I also notice there is no series listed on the instrument (series 9, 10, etc.)

The wood is fantastic, very tight-grained (heavy!) and crack free, and everything is present, aligned and operational, including the lig, MP and cap. 

It does NOT have nickel capped tenons.
It has an original, 1910-1940s era thumbrest, a stamped trill key guide, and only 3 trill posts on the top joint (but 2 posts for the lower joint trills.)

Keywork is nice, but not special or unique.  It's typical, nickel silver.

I have a very hard time believing it was made in 1972.

What do you think?
(Photos forthcoming when possible)

All about Clarinets / Re: What is this?
« on: May 12, 2024, 05:03:42 PM »
Looking good!  That is a nice, rather advanced Albert, with useful extras.  Glad you were able to get the new pads in.

All about Clarinets / 1917
« on: May 08, 2024, 06:52:38 PM »

This was the year the United States "officially" adopted Stuttgart pitch (A=440 Hz), via the authority of The American Federation of Musicians.

440 was "discovered" in 1834 by Johann Scheibler, who was an advocate for its widespread use.  Regardless, he was largely ignored, and his findings were followed with wild swings in pitch manufacture that I have personally recorded from 420Hz to 468Hz.  I have heard of those who cite even lower pitches than that.

I believe we began to see High Pitch stampings as early as the 1890s, but Low Pitch stampings may go back to the 1830s.  I don't know.

It would be erroneous to assume that Low Pitch instruments were not readily available until 1917.  While certainly it is a safe bet to assume that horns after that date are most likely Low Pitch, I have Low Pitch Couesnons from 1890-1900.

Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« on: May 08, 2024, 06:29:25 PM »
You are absolutely right, and It does indeed.  In the October 1923 Brochure I have, it shows a departure from the wrap around register, and still shows model 152, Model 154 (4 rings, with or without rollers;  I have one of each) and model 1554 (5 rings and full rollers).
It is a bit odd.  These weren't for kids; no way a kid's hand could play an Albert Pedler.  Perhaps it was "ground floor" for aspiring musicians.

I do not believe Harry Pedler made any Albert clarinets after 1925 or 1926, but I cannot prove it...yet.

Trading Post / ALBERT system Harry Pedler
« on: May 07, 2024, 02:51:35 PM »
Here is a genuine, (stamped!) Harry Pedler Albert System clarinet for a great price.
It is a Model 152, and the straight register key tells me that it was made after October of 1923 and before 1931. Large hands are a must for this one, but they will be rewarded with a rich tone.  Original lig is included, as is the period-correct case:


Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« on: May 03, 2024, 06:08:23 PM »
I have indeed noticed the multi-piece, higher quality metal clarinets Dave. 

Unless manufacturing processes of the time dictated that through limitation, it doesn't make much sense to me, unless it catered to the notion that a pro is likely to have an incident, and they shouldn't have to buy a whole new horn for an isolated issue.

Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« on: May 03, 2024, 05:59:20 PM »
I re-read and misunderstood.  I see your meaning now, Rocket. 

I have actually never played a metal clarinet.  I have a few, but they are lamps at present.

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