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Make and Model lists and research / Linton, where did it come from?
« on: September 21, 2020, 07:18:42 PM »
OK so following on the success of my last post......
I have had in my possession for the past few weeks(in my garage hiding it from the wife) a Linton horn. I had read a little that they were made by various manufacturers. Don't know if I have that right or not. I did a quick search here and it didn't turn up much except that it may have a barrel insert. Wasn't really expecting that but I looked and to my surprise it was. It has a small bore 14.75.
The instrument itself looks barely used. Only problem i had was the bottom of the mouthpiece (3/8" abouts) had broken off in the barrel. I pulled it out and abs cemented it back on the mp. I doubt I'm going to use it but hey whatever. Funny, pads hardly looked used, some don't even have hole impressions. Seating of the pads looks horrible if indication of the impressions on the pads them self loon unbalanced. Otherwise everything looks to be sound.
Question is who made it, if not Linton, and what sort of time frame am i looking at. Malerne, sml?
Serial reads 10w 12847

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Picked this one up pretty cheap, they don't seem to go for a lot. Information on them is just about zero on their origin and about anything else you may want to know about them as far as I am able to find out. I dont think it is as hard to identify the maker as say a Lafayette or maybe Carl fisher.
I'm not too knowledgeable about key work from different manufacturers so if it is a stencil I wouldn't be able to attribute it to anyone. By the over all condition I wouldn't think it made much later than 50-60's time frame. It is serialized 3669 on both joints. It was receiver pretty clean, there are a few minor cracks most at the top of the lower joint. I think that is common. It is missing the ring for whatever reason.  2 small bell cracks as well. There is little to no rust on any of the metal which is a nice thing.
I am not able to find any records of a H Landau for instrument makers, though a town which flip flops between Germany and France is named Landau but that seems a non issue. There are other people of note with the last name of Landau but none of those I found fit. Any information would be helpful.

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All about Clarinets / Case linings
« on: September 06, 2020, 03:59:06 AM »
I have been struggling with finding a more appropriate material for lining the inside of a case. I have already redone 2 cases with a poly velvet. Wile it is soft enough and will more than likely last a long time it seems to be lacking in a few areas.
One is the material itself. It is a man made and it will deteriorate over time and the off gases will not take kindly to metal.
Another is the thickness of said material. It is relatively thin. It provides some amount of cushion but I wouldn't mind thicker.
Now I notice that the older cases have either a thick twill loop whatever type of either cotton or wool liner. It is a natural material which seems to hold up pretty well considering some of it is 50 plus years old. If I am correct, rayon is made from bamboo. Does rayon count as a natural material?
So my question is what is this sort of material called more specifically, not velvet or suede. I have been looking around and from what little better have found is that it is some sort of upholstery. Anyone have experience with this sort of thing?

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: September 03, 2020, 02:43:08 AM »
I found a use for that barrel i made. It fit onto the PM artist i had and with the rubber B&H bell it is ugly as sin. But it plays really nice. Has good sound and is easy to play.
It really looks the Frankenstein part.  :o

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All about Clarinets / Re: Metal 4 piece
« on: September 03, 2020, 02:34:59 AM »
Just for some background. I found this ad attached to one of those other clarinet sites. It seems that the original price on one of these adjusted for Inflation from 1927 to 2020 puts it in the 2k base range. I find that to be pretty steep although I see brand new custom horns going all the way out to 10k. That's a lot of pennies.
Still interesting in comparison to what you could buy now for the same amount. Almost seems like you get less.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Metal 4 piece
« on: August 26, 2020, 02:54:07 PM »
Looking for a little feedback on this.
I was playing this particular horn to see how in tune it was. The lower register is sharp almost to the next note and the upper register is pretty close to in tune. I had pulled the barrel probably 2 mm to get it to where it is. Putting very little pressure on the reed or it will become too sharp.
I tried a few mouthpieces and obviously some played better than others. I dont know if it makes as much of a difference but I remember reading that the large bore clarinets need a more open mouthpiece. I measured the bore and it comes out to .6" as best I could with the calipers. I do not know if a 'large bore' mp would help with this or if it is just a failing due to the metal.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Gorgeous metal clari
« on: August 25, 2020, 04:55:35 PM »
I'm fairly certain that is the same one I was watching on goodwill auctions.  Looks like I purged it off of my watch list.  It didn't go for too much but it looks like it cleaned up nicely.

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Make and Model lists and research / Re: Penzel Mueller Serial Time line
« on: August 25, 2020, 02:12:56 PM »
Just for current standings on this thread. I was wondering if this was still an active course of investigation and record or is it defunct. I am going to assume one of two things has happened. Silver sorcerer is no longer walking among us. He is extremely busy and not able to complete his research or something along those lines.
With that in mind is anyone carrying forth on this or is it a dead subject which people unknowingly think is still ongoing. Personally I think it is of tremendous value as to what has been done already. No I am not the sort of person to further it but I can appreciate the effort and what has been done.
If  no one is actively managing it maybe it would be time to post something to that effect. This way people contributing to this thread know further information is basically falling on deaf ears.
Is there anybody out there...

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All about Clarinets / Re: Metal 4 piece
« on: August 19, 2020, 10:37:16 PM »
Finger print magnet. 
I need to learn how to polish a little better. I got about 90-95% of the junk off of it. I didn't see any numbering on the keys them self. Now I need to learn how to straighten metal, the bell is a tad lopsided like someone put it down a little too hard. I took of a music holder adapter that was soldered onto it, a little solder left over on body it it blends in.
Only thing left is I need to redo the tendon cork. Thought I could get away with leaving the old ones but is kind of loose.
I happen to have a geo Bundy mouthpiece as well so it kinda seemed like a good match. It plays loud....

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All about Clarinets / Re: Metal 4 piece
« on: August 19, 2020, 01:55:46 AM »
Just thought this was interesting. Found some markings under the key work while polishing it.  Looks like L over 83.
I'm guessing it is shop marks or match marks to identify set pieces.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: August 18, 2020, 01:29:51 PM »
Sorry to bother again but I bought a stinker this time, it smells a little musty. Its an older conn. Serial puts it about 1959, (687xxx). Hard rubber upper and lowers, barrel and bell appear to be plastic. Bell marked as a director but I dont think that is the correct model. Has marching band logo on top joint and plated keys. 
I'll probably end up restoring it. the case is beat to heck inside and out so new carpet and probably a new coat as well.
Basically I am wondering if it is a director or some other model and what knd of quality instrument it is. From what I read, this time period isn't know for the best quality instrument.

My best guess is its a 14n.

Edit, its a 1957 not 1959 whoopsie

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All about Clarinets / Re: Rare paperclip bass
« on: August 14, 2020, 10:33:46 AM »
Just my opinion but they probably never made many just by looking at it. It looks to have its own kick stand, a metal rod to support it. Also it looks like it is (un)necessary complicated.  That being the linkages and that would lend to the fragility of the instrument.  If it didn't play as well I doubt it would justify the manufacturing costs. It seems to me at any rate to be more of an oddity. Rarity would then seem be the reason for its worth.
Two hundredths of a dollar. 
I don't know if this helps, https://www.jasonalder.com/cbclresearch/

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All about Clarinets / Re: Anyone else having trouble logging in??
« on: August 14, 2020, 10:21:15 AM »
No problems here. I wouldn't trust google for anything personally. Not a fan of apple either. I use firefox for most things but there are more secure browsers if you look. Obviously its up to you what you use   

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: August 12, 2020, 10:11:15 PM »
Oh goodie, I just got my bench grinder a few days ago. Threw a buff wheel on it and some buff compound and went to work. Now I'm getting excited to buff out my metals. I'm gunna buff the fudge out of them. Made my brilliant look brilliant.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Metal 4 piece
« on: August 12, 2020, 11:40:54 AM »
Its kind of weird, I was looking over the body and I can't seem to find a serial nbrr in it. I'm not doubting its authenticity but the few other examples I have seen on the interweb, at least some of them, have serials. The look, heft and feel of it wouldn't make me suspect a fake. Plus who would spend the time and effort to fake something like this. Unless the serial is buried under the keywork which I doubt. Wondering if that would be an issue, being a lack of a serial, or is there none to begin with. Just seems odd.

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