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All about Clarinets / Re: Rare paperclip bass
« on: Today at 10:33:46 AM »
Just my opinion but they probably never made many just by looking at it. It looks to have its own kick stand, a metal rod to support it. Also it looks like it is (un)necessary complicated.  That being the linkages and that would lend to the fragility of the instrument.  If it didn't play as well I doubt it would justify the manufacturing costs. It seems to me at any rate to be more of an oddity. Rarity would then seem be the reason for its worth.
Two hundredths of a dollar. 
I don't know if this helps, https://www.jasonalder.com/cbclresearch/

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No problems here. I wouldn't trust google for anything personally. Not a fan of apple either. I use firefox for most things but there are more secure browsers if you look. Obviously its up to you what you use   

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: August 12, 2020, 10:11:15 PM »
Oh goodie, I just got my bench grinder a few days ago. Threw a buff wheel on it and some buff compound and went to work. Now I'm getting excited to buff out my metals. I'm gunna buff the fudge out of them. Made my brilliant look brilliant.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Metal 4 piece
« on: August 12, 2020, 11:40:54 AM »
Its kind of weird, I was looking over the body and I can't seem to find a serial nbrr in it. I'm not doubting its authenticity but the few other examples I have seen on the interweb, at least some of them, have serials. The look, heft and feel of it wouldn't make me suspect a fake. Plus who would spend the time and effort to fake something like this. Unless the serial is buried under the keywork which I doubt. Wondering if that would be an issue, being a lack of a serial, or is there none to begin with. Just seems odd.

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All about Clarinets / Metal 4 piece
« on: August 11, 2020, 04:06:48 PM »
Just received this one today. Its a little "waxy" so going to need a good cleaning. Geo m Bundy Paris. Came in a selmer case sans the handles and some of the exterior leather. I think I got it for an OK price. Supposed to be an intermediate.  Anyway, has anyone had any experience with one of these and how they play? 
I am going to resto it no matter, it looks like its still in good shape. There is a small crease or two in the bell but that shouldnt be too much concern.  As for the restoration, I have read that metals do well with leather pads but have redone 2 others with regular felts and they seem to play just fine. Is this more a matter of preference and sound intonation?
Kinda looking forward to making this one all shinny.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: August 06, 2020, 01:14:30 PM »
Penzel Mueller gloritone?  Student level. Intonation is off on mine in the lower range. I basically salvaged it, looked like it was in a smokers home for 20 years. Aweful smell and a nasty yellow wax like build up on the outside. Was missing barrel and case. After a lot of washing and some time with a drill press and belt grinder to create a barrel this is what I have now.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Making new key posts
« on: August 06, 2020, 01:04:43 PM »
My two cents, take it face value.  :D
I destroyed 3 screws on my first attempt at taking down a clarinet, it was only a few months ago on a Yamaha 250. I figured I would start with something more readily replaceable.  I cranked the screws figuring they would just come out with enough force. I ended up having to drilling out the screws through the post with a dremmel(good idea at the time I thought).  One I actually drilled the whole rod clear to the other side before I figured out I could drill out to the inside of the first post then bend it up pull the key and unscrew the remaining. Bought stock bar, threaded it and put it all back. Fortunately didn't do any real damage and everything went back together nicely. Lesson learned.
I had to remove a screw on I think it was my brilliant. I used a jeweler saw on this one, I had a little clearance between key and post, the Yamaha was too tight, plus I hadent picked one up yet. So cut, bend, pull and unscrew. Worked well enough. 
Anyway, you asked if it is worth it. Self education, hands on experience is priceless. Worst case the only thing you will lose is the cost of the instrument you paid if you do it yourself. If you send it out, unless you have some kind of attachment to it you will more than likely spend far more than the worth of the finished product. As a hobby I find it fun to monkey with this sort of thing but I'm not expecting to many anything off of it.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: August 04, 2020, 01:57:05 PM »
Sorry for the bad joke. Let me just begin by saying that I would never do that. I find it to be a waste (usually) of an instrument. Im sure there are exceptionally terrible clarinets that deserve it.  Also I find the sight of them extremely tacky. I mean if you think it looks nice, by all means.  I just wouldn't be able to live with myself having to wake up every morning to the sight of one of those. I think a junker would probably make a good chew toy for a bird, wood of course. Strip it down first, don't need them chewing on metal.  ;D

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: August 03, 2020, 09:25:16 PM »
Finally got pads in for that rubber inner lined pruefer. It playa pretty well as is I think. I was fooling around with the mouth piece and ended up with a larger bore and seems to work fairly well. It doesn't seem to be an easy blower but not too hard either but I think its because I was messing around with the rails.
I like the color the keys have. I opted not to shine them and they have a rosie tone to them which I think matches the discolored rubber.
Loks so nice maybe I'll turn it into a lamp....  :o (not really)

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All about Clarinets / Re: Pieces of history? Parts or instrument.
« on: August 02, 2020, 02:45:17 AM »
Not sure this is the right place but I couldn't find much of anything about this one. I picked up this flute on that auction site everyone loves.....  It wasnt super expensive and something else for me to fool around with. I got this weird thing for penzel Mueller stuff.
There wasn't much to be done with it seeing how the pads were in OK condition and I don't really feel like changing them. The foot / leg third end piece is loose on the fit but I can stretch the metal a hair to get it back tight. Serial is 56xx so there are a couple ther were made. Anyway I was wondering how rare this flute is. I know PM made wood flutes so i get the feeling this might be a stencil from somewhere else. I would appreciate any sort of background info someone might have.

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Make and Model lists and research / Re: Penzel Mueller Serial Time line
« on: August 02, 2020, 02:13:49 AM »
I lifted this off an eBay auction. I didn't buy it but thought it would be pertinent to this conversation. Its not an exact date of manufacture but it gives an approximate date.

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All about Clarinets / Re: W. R. Yorke, Inc clarinet
« on: July 29, 2020, 11:23:43 AM »
The dimensions I came up with, after converting standard to metric. The barrel is 60mm, the uj not including tendons is 191mm, LJ is 234mm(no tendon). Should be roughly correct after conversion. The over all length (barrel to bell) was about 23.5" so about 597 mm(I think I was a hair off). Interior is a spacious 15mm, and as close to the end of the taper on the lower as I could get with the calipers is 22.5mm.
The rubber is a nice black yes, I have a feeling it was lightly used.

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All about Clarinets / Re: W. R. Yorke, Inc clarinet
« on: July 28, 2020, 02:30:24 PM »
I'm a little confused on this one.
To add to this defunct conversation I came across one of these instruments and wouldn't mind comparing. To be fair, I bought it more for the case then the instrument itself.
It came sans the mouthpiece which I don't think will hurt the resale ::). Looking at the pics posted already I am going to assume the bell is not an original part either. Not sure on that. The barrel has the company brand on it bit it isn't marked aria like the upper is. The upper and lower have matching serial's so I'm pretty sure they are a set.
What I'm curious about is if the barrel  is a replacement or original and if the bell is not original either where is it from. One last thing, I would swear it is a plastic body, not hard rubber though I could be wrong.

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After fudding around with it, I'm pretty sure it isn't the right barrel. The bands are a different design and I had to pull it about 2 mil to get it in tune.  I'm guessing body is HR but I think bell is plastic.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: July 24, 2020, 05:34:00 PM »
My bad, doesn't look like it removed the plate. After buffing out the keys by hand it looks more like i burned it. I could probably buff it completely out but I kind of like the two tone quality it has. Its like a silvery copper and it changes a little depending on lighting.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Arts and crafts projects
« on: July 24, 2020, 11:33:52 AM »
Mixed reaction.
So I cleaned the keys from a silver throat yesterday. They had a ton of crud on them so I decided on pickling them. Normally I let the keys sit in the vinegar for an hour or little longer before scrubbing. These were pretty dirty so I let them sit a little longer. Finally I pullet them out about 6 hours later.....
I was kind of surprised to find a different color when I started to scrub them down. Well shucks, I guess the vinegar ate some of the silver plate. I seriously doubt it is worth sending them out to get replated, cost and time. Now  I'm thinking what do I do, actually they have that funky cool sort of look. Silvery coppery worn down look. This might actually work in my favor in that the body is old faded rubber. It kind of matches, giving it an old 'vintage' look. I mean how many nice shinny restored pieces are there?  I mean sound is supposed to be more important than look, function over form right?
I am wondering now, should I put some sort of matte clear coat over top to preserve them? I don't want to have to wax them constantly so can/should I go with a paint of some kind or just wax? If I do nothing I have a feeling they will deteriorate further as is. I don't think I want to spray them silver, that would be just tacky, but an option I guess.
Any opinions?

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