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After doing some digging, looks like the guarantee bond certificate was signed by Sidney Pedler, one of Harry's younger sons.

I was perusing an old issue of the NAPBIRT Technicom and noticed something interesting. Sidney A. Pedler is listed in an index of officers from Elkhart instrument manufacturers. There is no mention of him working for the Pedler company, but he was founder and president of the Hoosier Band Instrument Company from 1950 through 1964. I can find little other information on the company besides that it was incorporated in 1949 and officially dissolved in 1970, and Donald Getzen was apparently involved with it in the '60s.

Pedler had a Hoosier model starting in the mid-1930s and running at least through the 1940s. Suppose Sidney bought the name from Martin when he left to start his own company?

I did find an example of a Hoosier instrument not made by the Pedler Company - a wood clarinet. The bell stamping is the outline of Indiana with "HOOSIER" superimposed on it, and "Elkhart Ind." below.


That issue of TechniCom has another valuable detail: Joseph O. Thompson became vice president of Pedler in 1936, and held that post through at least 1953.

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There used to be serial number data for Boosey & Hawkes online, but it's apparently gone now. Fortunately, I have the document saved.

Your instrument was built in either 1952 or 1953.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Buffet Crampon Evette Schaeffer Master Model
« on: August 09, 2022, 05:01:43 PM »
The E&S Master Model is often referred to as a "semi-pro" instrument - it isn't at the level of an R13 or other models marketed as "professional", but a step above the intermediate E&S non-Master Model (E-13). Buffet advertising implied that the Master Models were exceptionally good examples selected out of the regular E&S production.

I played an E&S Master Model many years ago. Too long ago to say anything about the tone now, but I find the keywork lacking both in design and with how soft the metal is.

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Yeah, that's a "brushed" finish. They did that to give a vague impression of woodgrain - on soprano clarinets it was usually reserved for the more-expensive ones.

They used that logo from the mid-'60s through the early 2000s.

The Eb contra-alto was model number 7181. I don't know for sure if the serial numbers used the same sequence as basses or if they had their own. But, I can't believe they would've sold enough contras for them to get to a "D" suffix on their own, so it probably matches the basses and you're correct on the year.

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Hello, I recently bought a Vito Reso-tone bass clarinet on a whim at a local antiques mall.
I am unsure of the model #, the serial # is 2334B with a one-piece plastic body and oval logo. The low number places it maybe in the early 70s? Why does the serial number have a letter suffix instead of prefix like the others I see listed?
One interesting thing I noticed is that the keywork is made for a two-piece instrument - would that be an indication that it has a French keyset?
Am a clockmaker by trade and had no trouble repairing a few slightly bent parts and the keys feel really nice.

If anybody has any thoughts on the date/model #, please chime in.
Thanks

The year would seem to be accurate. Leblanc used different serial number sequences for each "voice" of clarinet - the ones you see for Vito soprano clarinets have no relation to those used for altos, basses, and contras. Why they moved the letter from a suffix to a prefix for Vito sopranos in the '70s is anyone's guess.

I have one that's from 1969 according to the chart, and based on other evidence, that checks out.

By the keywork being "made for a two-piece" I take it you mean the bridge key between the upper and lower joints? It's possible Leblanc USA used the same keywork as Leblanc Paris, but even if not, that key is built that way because it's a regulation point and needs to be adjustable.

The model number depends on if the low Eb key is on the main body or on the bell. If on the bell, it's 7166 (maybe 66 - I'm not entirely sure when Leblanc changed around their model numbers), if on the body it's 7168.

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Your best bet is to look for a saxophone spe├žialist - someone who would be familiar with the microtuners that came on old Conns. I'd suspect that the principle is similar.

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Make and Model lists and research / Re: Is this legit or a fake(copy)?
« on: April 10, 2022, 11:55:25 AM »
H.N. White did indeed sell a plastic Cleveland clarinet. It's model 707 and the metal liner was a no-cost option. It was introduced in the early '60s.

I know there were later Cleveland 707s that were made in Germany (probably by Schreiber).

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All about Clarinets / Re: Conn Clarinet
« on: February 22, 2022, 06:50:33 PM »
I agree with Airflyte - that looks like an H.N. White clarinet to me, and that serial would be from the second-line Cleveland sequence.

The published serial number chart for Cleveland isn't particularly good, but late 1920s would be my estimate for the age of your instrument.

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It came with the original lyre and also guarantee bond certificate. They said it was the original sales receipt signed by Harry Pedler, but it is obviously not a sales receipt. I saw a previous post where someone has the same guarantee certificate and same signature. Not sure if it is Harry's or not. Does this add to the value at all, and/or does it help date the instrument?

I can't say what it adds for monetary value, but it's definitely an interesting and uncommon thing to have.

The signature definitely helps date it, if you can determine whose signature it is. Harry Pedler and his son left the company in spring of 1931, after which Louis H. Hombs was appointed executive manager. At some point between 1932 and 1937, he was replaced by J.O. Thompson.

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In all likelihood, that's an early one made under Pedler ownership.

When the Pedler metal clarinet was introduced in 1927, the only two models available were "Professional" and "Student".

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Unfortunately there is no serial number chart for the Signet Soloist. Selmer USA, for reasons undoubtedly lost to time, used a separate serial number sequence for the Soloist, and there's so few examples relative to other models that assembling one would be difficult.

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All about Clarinets / Re: Selmer Signet Special
« on: November 18, 2020, 02:45:43 PM »
I'm fairly confident it's from the early 1960s.

I've never worked on a Signet but the Signet Special is regarded by most as a decent step-up model - something suitable for an advancing student's first wood clarinet. Selmer USA keywork was better in the early '60s than in later production, so this ought to be a good one to work on.

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With that serial number, probably 1950 or 1951.

I don't have my notes handy at the moment, but I do recall that serial number 100000 was reached in 1950.

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I have recently acquired the metal Pedler American 10728; is this a Martin company or a Harry Pedler compagny instrument and is it considered a student instrument?  It's apparently in it's original case. No idea on the year however. It's got a stuffy lower register but is nice and full in the upper register, still looking for the right mpc to really see what it can do.
Hard to tell for certain, but likely Martin-era.

I believe it's a student instrument, as the left-hand levers are mounted on the same set of posts - which appears to be a common feature of the less-expensive metal Pedler models.

(The American was later been promoted to intermediate-grade, with the levers mounted separately and a little bit of engraving on the bell.)

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Almost certainly a U.S. military-issue instrument, and likely from the late 1940s given the serial number. It might be the "professional" model - student-level Pedlers typically had the left hand levers mounted on the same set of posts.

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