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Make and Model lists and research / Re: Penzel Mueller Serial Time line
« Last post by geogal17 on November 25, 2022, 02:18:55 PM »
I am so grateful that this thread is still up even if not super active, lots of great info!   Here is my contribution to the list: 

Recently purchased a Penzel Mueller Artist from a goodwill of all places in southern California.  Its in surprisingly amazing shape, serial number 15655.  Plays very well and was obviously well cared for and had corks/pads/springs replaced. 

I wonder where this one would fit on the timeline?  1930s? 40s?
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All about Clarinets / Re: Do jazz players favour double lip?
« Last post by lydian on November 01, 2022, 08:06:56 AM »
If you like 20's / 30's music (more jazz orientated), check out the link!

https://syncopatedtimes.com/
Great stuff. Thanks!
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All about Clarinets / Re: Do jazz players favour double lip?
« Last post by Airflyte on October 31, 2022, 05:25:52 PM »
No worries, lydian.

Enjoy the clarinet - it's a very dynamic instrument.
If you like 20's / 30's music (more jazz orientated), check out the link!

https://syncopatedtimes.com/
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All about Clarinets / Re: Do jazz players favour double lip?
« Last post by lydian on October 31, 2022, 02:53:46 PM »
Hi lydian. Welcome to the forum.  :)

You hit the ground running with your first post!

Dave may have been traumatized by his middle school band director, but he's not "100%" wrong. Single lip vs. Double lip embouchure is simply a choice.  It is not for me to say which one is better than the other. I prefer double lip as it feels more relaxed and open.
Thanks. I guess it was bad form to come out swinging on my first post. But the reality is "almost never" rather than "almost always".

As a new clarinet player after 50 years on sax, I was perusing this forum, and the jazz sax double lip claim got me a little worked up. Other than that, loving the forum so far and slowly adapting to clarinet, which I have to play a lot in the 20s/30s dance band I joined recently. I'm getting by, but still have a lot to learn.

Looking forward to more discussion. I'll try to dial it back some in the future.
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Trading Post / Selmer Centered Tone clarinet for sale (1958-1959)
« Last post by Dave Reinhardt on October 30, 2022, 01:20:08 PM »
Hi all, I'm selling my deceased father's Selmer Centered tone clarinet....Have done some research on it...He was playing it up till his passing- so it WORKS...lol...Serial # is R5073...(made in either '58- or '59)....Benny Goodman endorsed it- looks like....
I welcome some suggestions on a good price to sell it for....
I have more photos if needed....
Thanks very much,
Dave
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All about Clarinets / Re: Do jazz players favour double lip?
« Last post by windydankoff on October 29, 2022, 06:37:38 AM »
Jazz (or any) players with front teeth that are chipped or poorly aligned or unhealthy may favour double lip. Tooth and jaw and other health issues may influence embouchure in various ways. Playing off to one side is fairly common, and easily observed.
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All about Clarinets / Re: Do jazz players favour double lip?
« Last post by DaveLeBlanc on October 28, 2022, 04:16:32 PM »
From looking at videos of traditional jazz saxophonists, they almost always have the double lip. Clarinet seems to be half and half.

When I was a young tyke in middle school, the band director considered double lipping a crime, so I've always had that mentality.
This is 100% wrong. Double lip is extremely rare in jazz saxophone. Of the hundreds of famous players I'm familiar with, I can count on one hand the ones who played double lip at some point, usually due to physical problems that left them no other choice. Regardless of what you think you're seeing, most have their teeth firmly planted on top of the mouthpiece because that's what works best.

I would expect the proportion of double lip in the jazz clarinet to be higher than in sax simply because it's a little more mainstream, but still fairly rare.

I would recommend double lip only to the few players who may experience serious discomfort in spite of using patches.

Hi lydian. Welcome to the forum.  :)

You hit the ground running with your first post!

Dave may have been traumatized by his middle school band director, but he's not "100%" wrong. Single lip vs. Double lip embouchure is simply a choice.  It is not for me to say which one is better than the other. I prefer double lip as it feels more relaxed and open.

I will need to recover from this injury :( LOL
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All about Clarinets / Re: Do jazz players favour double lip?
« Last post by Airflyte on October 28, 2022, 02:38:16 PM »
From looking at videos of traditional jazz saxophonists, they almost always have the double lip. Clarinet seems to be half and half.

When I was a young tyke in middle school, the band director considered double lipping a crime, so I've always had that mentality.
This is 100% wrong. Double lip is extremely rare in jazz saxophone. Of the hundreds of famous players I'm familiar with, I can count on one hand the ones who played double lip at some point, usually due to physical problems that left them no other choice. Regardless of what you think you're seeing, most have their teeth firmly planted on top of the mouthpiece because that's what works best.

I would expect the proportion of double lip in the jazz clarinet to be higher than in sax simply because it's a little more mainstream, but still fairly rare.

I would recommend double lip only to the few players who may experience serious discomfort in spite of using patches.

Hi lydian. Welcome to the forum.  :)

You hit the ground running with your first post!

Dave may have been traumatized by his middle school band director, but he's not "100%" wrong. Single lip vs. Double lip embouchure is simply a choice.  It is not for me to say which one is better than the other. I prefer double lip as it feels more relaxed and open.


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All about Clarinets / Re: Do jazz players favour double lip?
« Last post by lydian on October 22, 2022, 05:47:29 PM »
From looking at videos of traditional jazz saxophonists, they almost always have the double lip. Clarinet seems to be half and half.

When I was a young tyke in middle school, the band director considered double lipping a crime, so I've always had that mentality.
This is 100% wrong. Double lip is extremely rare in jazz saxophone. Of the hundreds of famous players I'm familiar with, I can count on one hand the ones who played double lip at some point, usually due to physical problems that left them no other choice. Regardless of what you think you're seeing, most have their teeth firmly planted on top of the mouthpiece because that's what works best.

I would expect the proportion of double lip in the jazz clarinet to be higher than in sax simply because it's a little more mainstream, but still fairly rare.

I would recommend double lip only to the few players who may experience serious discomfort in spite of using patches.
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All about Clarinets / Re: Do jazz players favour double lip?
« Last post by DaveLeBlanc on October 21, 2022, 11:51:00 AM »
From looking at videos of traditional jazz saxophonists, they almost always have the double lip. Clarinet seems to be half and half.

When I was a young tyke in middle school, the band director considered double lipping a crime, so I've always had that mentality.
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