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All about Clarinets / Re: 1860s-1884 Buffet Crampon, deux
« Last post by modernicus on Today at 08:18:26 PM »
Vintage clarinet doctor says 22 7/8" is the threshold for high pitch,  low pitch clarinets should be 23 1/4"  +/- 1/4".  When the tops are lined up, the first side key tone holes line up between the HP J.T.L. and this new Buffet.  Seems like HP is the most likely scenario.  I'm not upset at all, they're actually hard to find for reasonable prices anymore.  I actually look for HP Boehms on purpose!  I still kick myself for not buying a HP A or C when I ran across them.  Most every one I can find is trashed and broken of any type, or the seller wants more than a good LP equivalent.

https://www.thevintageclarinetdoctor.com/-blog/the-difference-between-lp-and-hp-clarinets
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All about Clarinets / Re: 1860s-1884 Buffet Crampon, deux
« Last post by modernicus on Today at 07:17:17 PM »
Here's a picture with the three lined up at the top, left to right:
 J.T.L. high pitch, new Buffet, old Buffet.
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All about Clarinets / Re: 1860s-1884 Buffet Crampon, deux
« Last post by modernicus on Today at 06:35:13 PM »
Clarinets left to right, T.Berteling (playable at modern pitch), Camille Thibouville, Buffet Crampon I already had (all original parts), new Buffet Crampon, J.T.L. high pitch (all original parts).  With its current bell, it's about 22 7/8" long.  What the hell?  The other Buffet I already had is almost exactly 23 1/2" long. Measurements as shown, no mouthpieces. 
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I own 2 different tumblers for reloading. The vibratory one is good but you have more options with the rotary tumbler. Namely you can use water and soap with stainless steel pins. Generally I use walnut hulls for first cleaning to get the grime off. Then i run it through corn cob media to polish it up. They make things you can add to the media to help cleaning and polishing but those are optional. The water with steel pins is supposed to get onto the crevices better than the dry media, I have a 5 lb bag of pins that came with the tumbler but haven't tried it out yet. Generally 3-4 hours is enough to get the brass pretty clean.
You don't need a lot but I found the cheapest way to buy media is through Grainger. They se it by the 50 lb bag in different sizes(size of grains).
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All about Clarinets / Re: 1860s-1884 Buffet Crampon, deux
« Last post by modernicus on Today at 05:02:16 PM »
Um, well I started to measure and compare this clarinet to others I have, and the length is absolutely "bonkers" as they might say across the Atlantic.  Not having the original bell makes things more difficult.  I will get some good pics and measurements.  It's so far looking somewhere between the "high" and "low" pitch clarinets.  That makes NO sense.  I did get this clarinet from Germany.  Apparently the Vienna (Austria, I know) Opera in the 1870s played at A=447hz, yeah, about halfway between what we might call "low" pitch and "high" pitch.  BUT, they wouldn't have been playing Boehm system, RIGHT?!  Apparently, there was something called "middle" pitch in the UK between the 1860s and later 19th century which varied a bit, but was between A=444hz and 446hz.  I guess I'll have to get it playing.  Too bad that the mouthpiece that is with it is broken as well.  I do have a playable wooden Buffet Crampon mouthpiece, and several broken tipped or over-refaced ones that might be able to be made to play again, but only by somebody that knows what they are doing.

http://pianotuninginyork.blogspot.com/2018/11/a-history-of-pitch-standards-in-piano.html?m=1
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Ok, picture working now on previous post- I just went through and scraped the grime out of the crevices and they're looking great ready to roll!  Overall I'm really pleased and I'm sure I'll refine my procedure over time.  I'm testing out an unplated brass ligature that came with a clarinet to test for suitability for brass keys, but I'm sure it will be fine as polishing brass ammo components and jewelry is what this stuff is made for.
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As with any buffing or polishing method, it's necessary to remove grime and corrosion first. An electric toothbrush may help. Link to previous topic:

https://clarinetpages.info/smf/index.php/topic,1564.msg11933.html#msg11933
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Keys so far- these were really beat, absolutely filthy and tarnished.  Any residual scratches were from mistreatment, the clarinet being knocked around in a pile or drawer or something, not due to the polishing. The only shortcoming I'm noting is the very difficult sharp crevice area between the pad cup and arm joint, where it they were extra dirty and tarnished.  Also, the silver soldering is sloppy, contributing to the issue.  Actually, the whole clarinet is rather sloppy in its build quality.
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All about Clarinets / Re: Scale shifted from CDE toABC
« Last post by Fishrocktoad on Today at 10:15:47 AM »
    Wow, I’m overwhelmed with all the feedback,... Thanks!
I realize my first post wasn’t very clear.
    I checked a little more carefully with the tuner.
Here’s the scale I’m coming up with as I start with all six holes closed.
As I open them beginning at the bottom, my tuner is reading
     E   F#  G  A  B  C#
    Maybe this makes more sense now?
   
    Embouchure could be an issue,
I’m using a Rico#2. I just ordered some 1.5 reeds (for beginners?) Should I go stiffer?
    The notes coming out flat makes sense. What is an undeveloped embrosure? Is that bad technique or is it the mouthpiece?
      I’ve been playing a Native American flute for a long time, so my finger coordination is pretty good....  I intend to be playing freestyle as I do with my flutes. I’m already tooting out a few tunes.
Lots of fun

Thanks to all of you







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Here's a pic of the bell, instead of 99 it says 07 (year?). No additional markings.
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