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All about Clarinets / Re: 1917
« Last post by 350 Rocket on May 09, 2024, 02:55:53 PM »
In my study of Conn saxophones, I've found that (surviving) examples are overwhelmingly high pitch from about 1905 through 1910. From 1910 on, high pitch saxes are scarce; prior to 1905, it doesn't appear that Conn stamped a pitch marking, at least not in what became the usual place.
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All about Clarinets / 1917
« Last post by Windsong on May 08, 2024, 06:52:38 PM »
1917.

This was the year the United States "officially" adopted Stuttgart pitch (A=440 Hz), via the authority of The American Federation of Musicians.

440 was "discovered" in 1834 by Johann Scheibler, who was an advocate for its widespread use.  Regardless, he was largely ignored, and his findings were followed with wild swings in pitch manufacture that I have personally recorded from 420Hz to 468Hz.  I have heard of those who cite even lower pitches than that.

I believe we began to see High Pitch stampings as early as the 1890s, but Low Pitch stampings may go back to the 1830s.  I don't know.

It would be erroneous to assume that Low Pitch instruments were not readily available until 1917.  While certainly it is a safe bet to assume that horns after that date are most likely Low Pitch, I have Low Pitch Couesnons from 1890-1900.
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Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« Last post by Windsong on May 08, 2024, 06:29:25 PM »
You are absolutely right, and It does indeed.  In the October 1923 Brochure I have, it shows a departure from the wrap around register, and still shows model 152, Model 154 (4 rings, with or without rollers;  I have one of each) and model 1554 (5 rings and full rollers).
It is a bit odd.  These weren't for kids; no way a kid's hand could play an Albert Pedler.  Perhaps it was "ground floor" for aspiring musicians.

I do not believe Harry Pedler made any Albert clarinets after 1925 or 1926, but I cannot prove it...yet.
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Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« Last post by DaveLeBlanc on May 08, 2024, 08:06:03 AM »
Wow, that is beautiful. No rollers either!! Very surprised you date it that late, Windsong. That ringless style with no rollers sure harkens back to the 1870s or earlier!
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Trading Post / ALBERT system Harry Pedler
« Last post by Windsong on May 07, 2024, 02:51:35 PM »
Here is a genuine, (stamped!) Harry Pedler Albert System clarinet for a great price.
It is a Model 152, and the straight register key tells me that it was made after October of 1923 and before 1931. Large hands are a must for this one, but they will be rewarded with a rich tone.  Original lig is included, as is the period-correct case:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/256503734258?itmmeta=01HXAG7055A62GRMJTCMPZ9MAV&hash=item3bb8d05ff2:g:PMAAAOSwk~NmOoVl&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA0Nzd2nIllgCeifJfBBUPlQc1jrzQDhOxjIFuVnNINyROy4NscmHVRLNmUtTq5mQuTHgDQCvICDc4XyRRfZy82a19n%2FbcuQWtbQ4MsDVP%2BVPfPgxx%2B9PllKwEtI7udhTg7syhTAgLajhP8LvF5ywMPYO02sKIPKkl02Wop5FJ5LaykcblXsp00u0BP15ajAxr2q5UCH%2FCaZHpORxSudyY%2FJ4nsvRpp6N1gmsv6Pp6ipJa28zHMJpmz%2BgfJmXAjoJ8gKmAJzE9je5NYMQgL0%2Fg6h4%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR9KCnNDqYw
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Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« Last post by DaveLeBlanc on May 03, 2024, 11:46:03 PM »
I do wonder if having them break up into multiple pieces catered more to the pro player who probably doubled on an A clarinet, or saxophone. Although they don't quite match the dimensions exactly, a metal is easier to fit into a double case of a combo sax-clarinet case.
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Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« Last post by Windsong on May 03, 2024, 06:08:23 PM »
I have indeed noticed the multi-piece, higher quality metal clarinets Dave. 

Unless manufacturing processes of the time dictated that through limitation, it doesn't make much sense to me, unless it catered to the notion that a pro is likely to have an incident, and they shouldn't have to buy a whole new horn for an isolated issue.
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Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« Last post by Windsong on May 03, 2024, 05:59:20 PM »
I re-read and misunderstood.  I see your meaning now, Rocket. 

I have actually never played a metal clarinet.  I have a few, but they are lamps at present.
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Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« Last post by DaveLeBlanc on May 03, 2024, 10:27:47 AM »
Anything that old is probably High Pitch and with a variant of Albert system keywork. Generally, high pitch instruments are not very usable at all today except in period bands. The Albert keywork is a little weird to get used to considering that Boehm is basically the international standard except in a select few Eastern European countries, and for certain genres of music.

I would only fix it up if you intend on selling it to a collector, or actively use it. If it's more of a memento/display piece, a quick cloth buff and wood oiling and it'll look just fine.
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Trading Post / Re: Good stuff on ebay
« Last post by jbrambi on May 02, 2024, 09:04:34 PM »
I'm new on the site and have a general question. Can anyone tell me about the quality of the w. Meinl clarinets made in New York in the late 1890's and early 1900's? My wife just inherited one and it appears to be in pretty good condition but wanted to know if it is worth spending the money to get it refurbished?
Thanks
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