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Did Noblet do stencil clarinets for Holton???
« on: August 25, 2016, 04:23:03 AM »
This one stumps me:

Hi, Phil,
Hope all is well with you and your mission...we have not spoken for awhile...
Just picked up a Holton made in France; has a 2V mouthpiece marked Holton, but looks like a Noblet stencil. This horn is all wood, and looks like 60's vintage judging from the case.
What do you think? Could it be a Noblet stencil?
God bless,
Gerry

Did Noblet ever do stencil's? Or did others just copy their key design?

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Re: Did Noblet do stencil clarinets for Holton???
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2016, 08:29:26 AM »
Serialization numbers and other details lead me to believe that Noblet made numerous stencils. Some I have identified are Raymond Paris (despite the Selmer sponsorship), Gold Star, Henri LeDuc, Emil Jardin, and several others. The trill shapes, the serialization typeset and spacing with a leading letter, location of the serial, style and location of the "Made in France" notice are all quite definitive. All of these I have identified are of the early D. Noblet type that have the pre-Leblanc scalloped trills. If these weren't made completely by Noblet, they feature the same key work and were marked with the same machinery.

If the Raymond Paris I have is representative, these play very well, perhaps as good as those labeled D. Noblet.

Photos of those details, particularly the serialization and export notice styles and locations would be my test for a Holton / Noblet relationship.
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Re: Did Noblet do stencil clarinets for Holton???
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2016, 10:06:08 AM »
I have an unmarked piece which is likely a Noblet.  Too bad there's no name, though.
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Re: Did Noblet do stencil clarinets for Holton???
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2020, 09:30:15 AM »
I´ve got a clarinet in Bb from J.W.Pepper, USA.
It´s for shure a D.Noblet clarinet with the serial number 7006C. Upper and lower joint in grenadill and only with serialnumber. Bell and barril in ebonit. The bell is marked with J.W.Pepper. Pepper imported woodwind instruments from Europe.
So Noblet made stencil.
Claus

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Re: Did Noblet do stencil clarinets for Holton???
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2020, 06:35:56 PM »
Welcome to Clarinet Pages forum el gitano.

Looks like you've found an old thread to revive!  ;) No problem.

As soon as we get the ability to once again attach images to threads, I sure would like to see pics of the J.W. Pepper. Yes, that serial number is certainly "Noblet-ish".

I do know that Noblet and Holton had some kind of relationship with the Holton Model 614 clarinet being a stencil of a Reso-Tone.
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Re: Did Noblet do stencil clarinets for Holton???
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2020, 11:33:44 PM »
Welcome to Clarinet Pages forum el gitano.

Looks like you've found an old thread to revive!  ;) No problem.

As soon as we get the ability to once again attach images to threads, I sure would like to see pics of the J.W. Pepper. Yes, that serial number is certainly "Noblet-ish".

I do know that Noblet and Holton had some kind of relationship with the Holton Model 614 clarinet being a stencil of a Reso-Tone.
Always fun to see old threads where I basically make a fool out of myself.
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Re: Did Noblet do stencil clarinets for Holton???
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2021, 02:01:17 PM »
Hi,
thank´s for your interest.
in my facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/duque.desanmiguel/
is some info about my investgation of my D.Noblet boehm clarinets, which I love. So I was looking in the web about sencils by Noblet, but don´t found real good information.
At least I bought this one in ebay
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Vintage-J-W-PEPPER-AND-SON-PHILADELPHIA-Wood-Clarinet-Olds-Mouth-Piece/133490998819?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
which was looking by the photos like a Noblet. The intrument arrived and I´am shure, it´s a D.Noblet.
If someone will have more info, I had written something about my investgation in a pdf, but it look´s I cannot attach a pdf, tell me
Be careful
Claus