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Re: The 'Official' ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone thread.
« Reply #90 on: December 02, 2021, 02:05:25 AM »
Jack,
If it's stamped 7212 below the serial number, it's from the second run through of the numbers.  It would be from 1995.  My son played one through 4 years of marching band and they are rugged and sound great.

Good morning, Mechanic - many thanks for the correction;  I've been reading through this thread, and must admit I found the proliferation of serial numbers, prefixes and resets pretty baffling - so I'm pleased that I can now put a date on it.  Re. the sound;  my teacher is very happy with the sound I'm making - and, come to that, so am I!  :)

The first instrument I bought (after having a loan baritone horn from the band for a couple of years) was a Boosey & Hawkes Regent - Regent being the B & H student range when their pro line were the Imperials.  I bought the Regent from a band in Stockport which had been one of their loan instruments for years - and it looked it, too!  The chairman of the band offered me a choice of three;  two in quite reasonable condition, and the very scabby Regent.  I tried the first two - one was no great shakes, the other sounded pretty good, but as soon as I tried the Regent, I said to her "That's the one!"

It was 44 years old, the silver plate was worn away in places, there was a load of black tarnish on it, the valves had patches of brass showing through where the plating was worn or corroded away - yet the sound it made still put the other two in the shade!

My MD asked to try it out, so I had the chance to hear what a really good player could do with it (it was great - a very bright 1950s sound, thanks to its medium bore), and he said to me he'd forgotten that the Regents were actually very well made, with the costs being kept down by a basic specification, rather than being cheap because they were nasty.

When I bought a new one from John Packer, I gave the Regent to the band as a loan instrument, and it was promptly loaned out to a new beginner, who got on very well with it, too.

Thanks again, Mechanic, and best regards,
Jack
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Re: The 'Official' ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone thread.
« Reply #91 on: December 02, 2021, 02:23:45 AM »
The Vito clarinet started out as a metal clarinet, but the plastic clarinet was more popular because it was less expensive.

Wouldn't you know it?  I'd never heard of such a thing as a metal clarinet before reading this thread - and this morning I find an advert for one on Ebay!

Not a Vito, though; the ad reads as follows:
"Vintage metal clarinet.  Jefferson USA is marked on the bell, the clarinet is in one section. Please see photos for condition. The clarinet is in B flat I presume. I am a cornet player.  Does not come with a mouthpiece, but a standard B flat mouthpiece fits."

I wonder how the metal construction would make it sound?
Jack
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Re: The 'Official' ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone thread.
« Reply #92 on: December 02, 2021, 01:48:58 PM »
The Vito clarinet started out as a metal clarinet, but the plastic clarinet was more popular because it was less expensive.

Wouldn't you know it?  I'd never heard of such a thing as a metal clarinet before reading this thread - and this morning I find an advert for one on Ebay!

Not a Vito, though; the ad reads as follows:
"Vintage metal clarinet.  Jefferson USA is marked on the bell, the clarinet is in one section. Please see photos for condition. The clarinet is in B flat I presume. I am a cornet player.  Does not come with a mouthpiece, but a standard B flat mouthpiece fits."

I wonder how the metal construction would make it sound?
Jack
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The clarinet in question is a low-end student model. These were mass produced with mostly questionable quality. In fact, so many metal clarinets were so bad in the 30s-50s that to this day, older players look at metal clarinets with disdain.

There are a few brands that are excellent, though - for example, the Silver King is probably the best (and most expensive!) I sold one a year or so ago for a client, racked up $1300 for a freshly restored Silver King.

You can typically find the common metals for $50 or less. They aren't worth much more and tend to be good lamps.

In terms of sound quality - find yourself a nice one (ie Silver King) and I think you'll find a very powerful, focused tone with more projection and a "jazzy" sound that you're more used to with saxophones. I love them myself.
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Re: The 'Official' ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone thread.
« Reply #93 on: December 02, 2021, 05:47:21 PM »
DaveLeBlanc: "You can typically find the common metals for $50 or less. They aren't worth much more and tend to be good lamps."
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« Reply #94 on: December 12, 2021, 08:10:57 AM »
Hi folks.  Yesterday afternoon, I greased up some cork, stuck some black things together, blew into it and wouldn't you know it....a noise came out. Does this make me a musician?  I hope so.  This is the first instrument I've ever owned (besides a kazoo).  I had no idea what I was buying at the auction house, but it looked cool and came in a velvet lined case.  SOLD!  Needs some work (new corks), but all the keys (?) seem to work.  I really like this.  It makes such a nice sound, think I'm going to enjoy this.

Quick review:  Vito (oval) Reso-tone  #3 .  Model # 7212, ser. # E09624 .  Carlton mouthpiece.

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Re: The 'Official' ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone thread.
« Reply #95 on: April 13, 2022, 04:56:59 AM »
Hello, I recently bought a Vito Reso-tone bass clarinet on a whim at a local antiques mall.
I am unsure of the model #, the serial # is 2334B with a one-piece plastic body and oval logo. The low number places it maybe in the early 70s? Why does the serial number have a letter suffix instead of prefix like the others I see listed?
One interesting thing I noticed is that the keywork is made for a two-piece instrument - would that be an indication that it has a French keyset?
Am a clockmaker by trade and had no trouble repairing a few slightly bent parts and the keys feel really nice.

If anybody has any thoughts on the date/model #, please chime in.
Thanks

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Re: The 'Official' ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone thread.
« Reply #96 on: April 13, 2022, 05:12:38 AM »
While most Vito bass clarinets are strictly meant to operate in one piece, there are some that actually do come apart in the center.

They are not meant to, but with enough force you could separate the two pieces. Not sure why you would, but you totally could.
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« Reply #97 on: April 13, 2022, 05:34:56 AM »
Mine has some chipping at the center that might indicate that someone tried to pry it apart.
Fortunately, the seat for the pad right above the center joint looks ok.

Maybe another point of reference, the clarinet came with a Selmer Paris mouthpiece that appears to have silver plated hardware and a nicely finished cover that looks like an old fancy salt shaker.

Some of the pads are a bit sticky and the bottom cock is loose so if the instrument is really about 50 years old I have a good excuse to take it apart!
I have never owned or played a woodwind instrument and as a clockmaker, I find this thing to be mechanically exquisite - it is a pleasure to use, a quality that I value greatly.
I was mainly inspired to try a bass clarinet because of Captain Beefheart and Reich's Music of 18 Musicians.

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Re: The 'Official' ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone thread.
« Reply #98 on: April 13, 2022, 06:36:27 PM »
Hello, I recently bought a Vito Reso-tone bass clarinet on a whim at a local antiques mall.
I am unsure of the model #, the serial # is 2334B with a one-piece plastic body and oval logo. The low number places it maybe in the early 70s? Why does the serial number have a letter suffix instead of prefix like the others I see listed?
One interesting thing I noticed is that the keywork is made for a two-piece instrument - would that be an indication that it has a French keyset?
Am a clockmaker by trade and had no trouble repairing a few slightly bent parts and the keys feel really nice.

If anybody has any thoughts on the date/model #, please chime in.
Thanks

The year would seem to be accurate. Leblanc used different serial number sequences for each "voice" of clarinet - the ones you see for Vito soprano clarinets have no relation to those used for altos, basses, and contras. Why they moved the letter from a suffix to a prefix for Vito sopranos in the '70s is anyone's guess.

I have one that's from 1969 according to the chart, and based on other evidence, that checks out.

By the keywork being "made for a two-piece" I take it you mean the bridge key between the upper and lower joints? It's possible Leblanc USA used the same keywork as Leblanc Paris, but even if not, that key is built that way because it's a regulation point and needs to be adjustable.

The model number depends on if the low Eb key is on the main body or on the bell. If on the bell, it's 7166 (maybe 66 - I'm not entirely sure when Leblanc changed around their model numbers), if on the body it's 7168.
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« Reply #99 on: April 30, 2022, 02:37:26 AM »
Just for the record & in case other people have this problem down the road -

My Vito bass clarinet (2334B) uses mostly thick saxophone pads, with the largest 5 having resonators. Only the 4 pads that have flat shallow cups use regular clarinet pads

As a complete beginner, I thought it made sense to buy a pre-assembled pad set which caused a great deal of head scratching and bewilderment as it turns out only 4 of them fit my instrument. The material suppliers on the web will happily let you select & send you a set of Vito bass clarinet pads without any mention of the fact that not all Vitos use clarinet pads.

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« Reply #100 on: May 04, 2022, 08:20:00 AM »
Good to know. Thanks for sharing that info!
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« Reply #101 on: July 23, 2022, 11:19:01 PM »
Hi to you all.
I've got a Vito oval logo Contra Alto clarinet, #7152D, low Eb on the body.
Is it a 7168 1995 made model?
Which material? It's extremely heavy, with wood like veins.
Thanks!

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Re: The 'Official' ClarinetPages Vito Reso-Tone thread.
« Reply #102 on: July 24, 2022, 08:02:02 AM »
Hi to you all.
I've got a Vito oval logo Contra Alto clarinet, #7152D, low Eb on the body.
Is it a 7168 1995 made model?
Which material? It's extremely heavy, with wood like veins.
Thanks!
Throw a picture in here please. I don't think Vito ever made any wood contra alto clarinets. It could be an ABS material with "grain," somewhat like the Buffet B12.
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« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2022, 03:01:08 AM »
Here they are...

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« Reply #104 on: July 27, 2022, 11:22:30 AM »
That's definitely an ABS plastic material. I'm not sure if the striations were meant to emulate wood grain or just a product of production, but it's definitely not metal.

That logo looks like its from the early 80s, I think.
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