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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2017, 03:36:20 PM »
Yes...very curious.  Harry Pedler never used bakelite in production, to my knowledge, but who knows what Martin used?  If this was an experimental material, it may be uncommon, but the SN is late in production, and I focus primarily on early models, so I am no expert on late 40s-early 50s Pedlers.  The UJ trills are indeed later.

I will certainly be  paying more attention to SNs close to this one from now on.
This one is probably less than 4,000 units away from the end of production. The bell definitely looks like some type of plastic to me, but I don't recall seeing one on a Pedler before. It's probably close to the introduction of the Grenolite, so maybe they were experimenting with plastic bells before they started building the all-plastic model.
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2017, 03:51:22 PM »
Straight bridge link, no "T" shaped connector clutch like there are on most post WW2 clarinets. I think it's Bakelite. I could be wrong. A good number of makers used Bakelite for bells at different times including Bettoney, Penzel-Mueller, and an Italian maker I haven't identified. It has that same semi-translucent surface with the glitter underneath in hard light. Also the way the logo is etched has the sharp edges.
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2017, 06:49:01 PM »
Here's one more Pedler with pics for the list:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231233860081

I asked the seller to take a pic of the serial and he replied "It would be a stinker to photograph due to the curvature, but the serial number is E14613" so I guess we know where the number is located  ;)
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2017, 01:37:28 PM »
I have been holding out for a reasonably priced Pedler alto, or any good antique alto, and finally I hit pay dirt with one from Taylor Music, Inc. in South Dakota;- in business since 1956. I like it when I get to deal with a company with a little history.

It's Harry Pedler 175A (low Eb key) model with a nicely engraved bell, but no other marks I can find and no serial number. It does look like the same wood as my Harry bass, reported to be rosewood in the 1920s catalog,  and the manual double register is the same kind of mechanism. It's a miniature of the bass, except only two plateau keys, the left thumb and the LH-4 tone hole. This might take some stretching to get used to, but the trade off is that it will be as easy to set up as a soprano Boehm with rings.

This is my first alto and with no mouthpiece yet (need one to fit a 24.4mm socket), all I can say is that it looks like it should play as is. Of course there's room for some tweaks everywhere, there are some newer pads mixed with the old and a couple with some mold to kill. It needs cleaning up. There is the typical flatness on what should be a round bell bow, but it isn't crushed inward. That kind of work goes to Charles King here for correction.

Visible previous repair is one (lowest on the body) key cup replacement done so well that the only clue is that the cup is not quite the same shape (looks like a silver plated sax key cup). The rest of the metal is original. I really like the compact case it came in, which is original and in great condition and very sturdy. These were the seller's photos and better than usual.
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2017, 04:28:13 PM »
This is pretty funny, but it shows a 201a, sort of. Not the best performance, but interesting to see a youngster with one these. I think the manual double register is causing confusion.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZueMvpFPDJU
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #51 on: August 19, 2017, 08:09:52 AM »
I was trolling through the archives and landed on this thread :

http://clarinetpages.info/smf/index.php?topic=193.0

Looking at the pics I have to wonder : is this a Pedler stencil?
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2017, 08:26:31 AM »
What details of that J.E. Ray clarinet point to Pelder? Be specific. Convince me. You know I am a skeptic, particularly regarding suggestion.  8)
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2017, 08:52:08 AM »
Mostly key shape, specifically, the C#/G# and Eb sliver keys. Then there's the shared throat key posts. These three things are practically identical to my Pedler. Also the thin, non-T bridge connector looks the same.

That being said, the shape of the trill keys is NOT like my Pedler. My Pedler is a one-humper, not a three humper like the J.E. Ray.
The LH pinky cluster touches are NOTHING like my Pedler but I'll bet you know a manufacturer that matches the distinct style.
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2017, 12:02:27 PM »
Are there any other makers with "similar" keys of those that you mention, and are those keys actually interchangeable? I'm not sure exactly what shared posts you mean on the throat.  I have seen Kohlerts and Pruefers with that curved G# on the upper joint, and some Pruefers with similar arrangement at the RH5 cluster. I don't think it's Pruefer. I don't think it's Pedler. I don't think it's Kohlert. I don't know who made the J. E. Ray clarinets. For now "I don't know" will have to do until I see a maker's clarinet that matches better.

As far as the shared throat key posts, are these in the exact same position? Because what you are looking for is interchangeable parts, and lots of them, like 9 out of 10. And then there is the serial format and location;- not at all the same as Pedler. In fact that serial location is probably the best clue. it's not typical and no, it isn't Penzel Mueller either.
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2017, 12:16:14 PM »
The only other maker I've seen serialize horizontally besides PM is Bettoney, so....?
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2017, 12:41:17 PM »
The numbers are on the back of the Bettoney clarinets and the early Bettoneys had numbers running the typical direction located at the bottom back of the lower joint and no letters, just numbers and in a larger fon;- and nothing else on that looks anything like a Bettoney.

I'm not inclined to guess at provenance when there is a collection of clues that point different directions and no where in particular. Having to start an errors and corrections thread would be embarrassing.  ::)
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2017, 12:47:04 PM »
Here's a good example of a stenciled clarinet made by Harry Pedler when provenance is about 99%+ certain;- note that there are no serial marks or country of origin marks to help in the determination: http://clarinetpages.info/smf/index.php?topic=1122.msg6211#msg6211

It's all about physical characteristics and it is best to have at least two examples of what you are matching and two more of what you are matching it to. As you can see, small details change over a production time, but a very large majority of the details remain the same.
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2017, 01:45:47 PM »
I'm not inclined to guess at provenance when there is a collection of clues that point different directions and no where in particular. Having to start an errors and corrections thread would be embarrassing.  ::)

Just learning. So that would be a definitive no, eh?  :o
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Re: Harry Pedler and Co./The Pedler Co. Serial Number List
« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2017, 01:57:28 PM »
That's a definitive "I don't know and I am not willing to guess."
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