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Offline Windsong

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A pad's true composition
« on: December 07, 2017, 06:03:31 AM »
I've been meaning to address this for quite some time, as I have many questions about clarinet pads various true compositions.

Are Roo pads really made from Kangaroo leather?

Are fish skin/bladder pads really made from the bladders of fish, and if so, what types of fish?

What were leather pillow pads made from 100+ years ago?  (Certainly not Kangaroos, I'll wager.)
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Re: A pad's true composition
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2017, 07:37:38 AM »
From Prestini's website . . . .

"All of our premium pads are manufactured exclusively at our U.S. plant so we have complete control over quality and sizing. Materials are sourced from around the world to provide the finest pad components available. We are proud to introduce Prestini International’s newest line of pads, The Professional “Ultra” Series. After much input from repair technicians and extensive testing, these pads are designed to ensure a perfect seat and reduce installation time, making them far superior to other pads on the market. Available in premium Nappa leather and Kangaroo skin."

Good question about the bladder pads though . . .
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Re: A pad's true composition
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2017, 08:59:31 AM »
This link is to a really nice article talking about pads, well worth reading.  According to it, sheep’s bladder is what is used for bladder pads, and are also called fish skin pads.  It covers most types, cork, synthetic, bladder.  It does not talk about leather.
https://woodwinds2.weebly.com/uploads/2/3/7/9/23793583/clarinetpads_0001.pdf
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Re: A pad's true composition
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2017, 11:11:32 AM »
From what I understand, Roo is actually kangaroo leather. Australia is a weird place that sells Kangaroo steaks at the local supermarket, so it only makes sense they'd have plenty of roo leather around.

Other types of leather that I know are used are doe skin and kid leather.

Roo is the hardest, followed by doe, followed by kid.

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Re: A pad's true composition
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2017, 12:38:03 PM »
According to this:
 https://books.google.com/books?id=lz7xBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA83&lpg=PA83&dq=clarinet+pad+composition&source=bl&ots=0rCe3omRs-&sig=LVtIZX0Yn2a2ytedCSabmnVqk1U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhkf643_jXAhXrRN8KHfMDAi44ChDoAQhJMAA#v=onepage&q=clarinet%20pad%20composition&f=false


The original leather (pillow) pads were stuffed with either cotton or wool.


And, according to wikipedia, "Nappa leather is a leather, typically dyed, made from kid-, cow-, calf-, lamb- or other skin by tanning. It is noted for its soft temper. It is a generic term in the leather field and has no distinct test for characterization."


In 1908, Conn used what feels like wool.


The big question is, how many Synth's have to give their life to make a greenback pad?
« Last Edit: December 07, 2017, 03:02:16 PM by mechanic »
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Re: A pad's true composition
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2017, 07:12:51 PM »
Thank you all for the great information, folks.  The article you posted, Lisa, was a real eye-opener, especially regarding certain characteristics of soft versus firm bladder pads, and the tonal qualities of cork.

I just bought triple-bladder pads for the Pedler, but now I'm re-thinking that (Triple-bladder pads?  Who knew they existed?  U.S. made, too)

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Re: A pad's true composition
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2017, 08:04:11 PM »
Has anyone found a quality producer/manufacturer of leather/wool pillow pads for vintage restorations?
I have a few clarinets that are as of yet, unrestored, and should probably be fitted with them for best fitment and period correctness.
An internet search has turned up nothing quite like the originals.
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Re: A pad's true composition
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2017, 09:49:17 AM »
If by pillow you mean soft, these are pretty good:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/57pcs-Clarinet-Leather-pads-Soprano-Bb-Mixed-Sizes/171531796266?hash=item27f0177f2a:g:DNQAAOSwzOxUW1DH

The seller will put together a custom sized set up on request.
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