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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2019, 06:58:34 AM »
I hate it when a seller gives a low price and then puts the shipping at $300!

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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2019, 08:04:32 AM »
I'm happy to see Jared (jdbassplayer) chime in here! He is a professional craftsman and extremely creative in this field. Jared's video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrYU3D-fPjc shows just some of the work that he did to improve the HR (ebonite) version of this instrument.

He and I agree that it took us both much more fine tuning than that video shows. As I've already noted, I spent a month working on mine, and ultimately I'm very pleased. So Phil – you might want to contact Jared about fine-tuning yours. I'm sure you'll be pleased. I would do it gladly, but I can't take it on this winter.

To answer Dibbs, your two eBay links show the SAME instrument, from different sellers in China. This is the wood version that Jared says needs very little work and is his favorite. He says it's grenadilla, and he knows.

Jared first got the HR version, then Phil and I did as well. It seems like a proto-design, as if the maker went from there to solve the major problems on the wood version. Eventually, logic would have it, they will take those improvements back to the HR version (as the same maker did with the C clarinet). We won't know that until someone buys one and reports back to the group! ... But meanwhile, I am watching the listings. I should be able to spot some changes in any updated photos, like when they lengthen the bell!

Back to Jared's posting of the Hakam Din version. Yes, it is definately the same Chinese keywork. The only good thing we can say for sure is that it is shipped from USA, and has a 30-day return policy. But, that wood does not look like cocobolo. They say they use synthetic pads and they include a spare set! ... Why?? Doesn't smell right to me.

On the other hand, the pads on my Chinese HR G have been excellent and have held adjustment really well. I replaced 3 pads with leather ones where I needed more resiliency to synchronize them. I dissected one of the originals. It has two layers of bladder skin bonded together, then bonded to the felt. In conclusion, to buy one today, consider the Chinese wood version, and a few hours of shop time to fine tune it.

Also, read my listing on eBay: "angled barrel, improvement for G clarinet". It explains a solution for people who aren't tall and long-fingered, who may have trouble reaching the bottom keys.

We put a lot of effort into gathering and sharing this information. If YOU buy one of these instruments, good or bad, PLEASE share your results! // Windy
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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2019, 08:36:02 AM »
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To answer Dibbs, your two eBay links show the SAME instrument, from different sellers in China. This is the wood version that Jared says needs very little work and is his favorite. He says it's grenadilla, and he knows.
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The bodies may be the same but they clearly have different bells and barrels.  The pictures in the first link actually show 2 different bodies.  The last 3 pictures show a metal ring at the top of the lower joint.  The first 3 show a wooden ring.  So who know what you'd get.

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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2019, 07:38:05 PM »
I purchased the one with the "Backun style" ringless bell and barrel. Even with the insane shipping it was still the cheapest option (and the best looking  ;D). I have a feeling the one with metal rings might be more crack resistant in the long run, however when one of my barrels cracked the seller was happy to send me two replacements.

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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2019, 03:09:30 AM »
Thanks Jared

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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2019, 02:43:26 PM »
To make Windy happy, I made a nicer bell than the PVC version. It is made of the original bell plus half of another.
The old PVC bell is pictured, as well as the part I cut off the second bell.


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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2019, 04:32:39 PM »
Looks good Phil!
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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2019, 04:38:02 PM »
I purchased the one with the "Backun style" ringless bell and barrel. Even with the insane shipping it was still the cheapest option (and the best looking  ;D). I have a feeling the one with metal rings might be more crack resistant in the long run, however when one of my barrels cracked the seller was happy to send me two replacements.

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Jared, I just want to thank you (and Windy) for the time and effort that both of you have put into these instruments. Your YT vids are great and I have subscribed to your channel.
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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2022, 09:47:38 AM »
Last entry (Phil's) is from 2019. Since then, has anybody purchase one of these so we can have an update on the intonation problems?

The Chinese C clarinets' intonation improved greatly over a period of 3 years. I expect these have been improved. I have a client who wants one so maybe there is some good news out there? Jared (JD) reported that his wooden version was much better than the hard rubber one. So I am hoping the HR has been improved to match the wood ones.
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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #39 on: September 14, 2022, 06:34:50 AM »
The most recent one I purchased in 2021 had the same intonation problems as the original, though I will say the key work is maybe a bit better. The pads are unfortunately cheap skin pads on the hard rubber versions now which means a repad will be needed for these instruments to last more than a year.

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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #40 on: September 14, 2022, 08:26:22 AM »
My original pads from 2019 are holding fine. But I don’t practice extensively on it. I estimate about 10 minutes of play per week. What’s your overall experience with the wood version now?
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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2022, 10:45:37 AM »
The wooden one I got from Moresky on Aliexpress was cheap but not very well made as the tone holes were very poorly finished. The one from eBay was a bit better than the hard rubber version but still had intonation problems that needed to be addressed.

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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2022, 05:38:27 PM »
Did your 2021 HR one have a proper bell length?  Mine needed a major splice to lengthen the bell.
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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2022, 10:46:31 AM »
All I have received including the one from 2021 have had a bell that is too short. I've needed to make longer bells for all of them to get a perfectly in tune clarion B.

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Re: G Clarinet Boehm (French) system, new from China (!)
« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2022, 08:49:24 AM »
JD - I have a client who is interested in the Chinese Albert system G. What's been your experience with those?
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