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1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« on: December 19, 2021, 12:46:51 PM »
Serial is A15xxxH, making it easy to distinguish.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2021, 12:47:46 PM »
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2021, 12:48:42 PM »
I believe this is a union factory logo.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2021, 12:58:16 PM »
Nice detail on the wraparound register key.  They appear to be nickel plated.  Barrel is not original as this is probably another student A instrument owned by an institution- none of the several lower tier A's I have like this have their original barrels.  They're all too short, probably the students couldn't play up to pitch.  My father says in his junior high orchestra in the 1960s they had loaner A's.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2021, 06:55:54 PM »
My HS band director had all clarinet barrels shortened by 1 ring to get a higher pitch.  When my daughter played the same horn 25 years later a new barrel was required by her music teacher.  Now, I'm playing the same licorice stick with the longer barrel and it plays pretty well in tune.  It's a 1949 B&H Edgware.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2021, 06:58:21 PM »
That register key looks fragile, like the one on my Buffet A from 1888.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2021, 09:26:47 AM »
Those wraparound register keys were so bizarre, thinking back. Not sure why they didn't just take the easy way out with the "modern"-style registers.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2021, 09:50:43 AM »
The wraparound register key was an alternate, intermediate style of register key.  I think from around 1880s-to-1920s/1930s on Boehm system clarinets.  Earlier Boehm systems, at least, had the "straight" register key.  I have a Buffet Crampon Boehm A from circa 1859 and a Thibouville-Buffet Bb Boehm circa 1860 and other Boehm system instruments including Buffet Crampon and Auguste Buffet jeune from the 1860-1885 era and they all have straight register keys.  I have an 1886 Buffet Crampon Bb unibody with a wraparound register key.  However, I have a 1906 Eb and IIRC 1914 Bb Buffet Crampon with straight register keys.  Then I have other late 19th early 20th c. models from various brands with a mixture.  So, either was a possibility during this time period.  Post WW2, it seems to be gone on Boehm clarinets.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2021, 03:37:27 PM »
Nice detail on the wraparound register key.  They appear to be nickel plated.  Barrel is not original as this is probably another student A instrument owned by an institution- none of the several lower tier A's I have like this have their original barrels.  They're all too short, probably the students couldn't play up to pitch.  My father says in his junior high orchestra in the 1960s they had loaner A's.

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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2021, 06:23:59 PM »
Does the register key stem (metal tube) protrude into the bore? If not, maybe it was a way to stop water from flowing into the hole.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2021, 07:00:28 PM »
That's the idea, they don't protrude into the, that's why they're positioned the way they are at the top of the bore.  But your thumb is still in the back, hence these crazy keys everyone loves. 8)
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2021, 08:11:14 AM »
The register hole needs extra length, and the wraparound has that length on the outside of the bore instead of the outside of the bore. I guess this could help reduce the amount of disturbance that air has as it moves along...or something.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2021, 07:25:09 PM »
The ones with wraparound registers I have, that are playable, I really like the way they play, BTW!
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2021, 03:38:01 PM »
I believe this is a union factory logo.


It is the union logo, here's a little more info on Conn and the union in the early 1900's from Sax on the Web.
https://www.saxontheweb.net/threads/factory-34-stamp.239744/

And a close up of the union logo from an early Conn HP Bb unibody.
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Re: 1909 C.G. Conn high pitch Boehm A
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2021, 01:06:52 AM »
The ones with wraparound registers I have, that are playable, I really like the way they play, BTW!

I always liked non-wrap registers. Significantly lower chances of failure or damage, and I think the nominal impact on airflow with the in-bore protrusion is neglible.
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