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Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« on: October 27, 2023, 08:21:39 PM »
My new clarinet has corks so tight I couldn't get it apart until I used this.

Don't panic though, I also used a neoprene pad (mouse pad) to protect it. :-)

I hope the corks loosen up soon.

« Last Edit: October 28, 2023, 02:07:14 AM by kurth83 »

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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2023, 01:28:48 PM »
Hey, we've all been there. A trick I learned from Phil is to wrap the tenon corks with some teflon plumber's tape. I actually prefer the cheap, thin dollar store variety, as opposed to the thick high quality stuff. Retains grip, while allowing for some dry lubrication. Cork grease just gets everywhere and makes cases gross.
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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2023, 12:15:09 PM »
Necessity requires all form of unconventional approaches.  Glad you got it!    As Dave says, we have all been there, and I am a firm believer in using Phil's Teflon tape trick, too--especially on horns i keep built for extended periods.

I will say that while your technique works, a 1" rigid wedge spackle knife incrementally worked around the perimeter has the advantage of doing less potential damage, since the cork is a far better thing to sacrifice than a joint or even a tenon.  Once you have a gap, you can ease in some almond oil and let it soak in a bit, which usually frees it up.

(the photo is a glazing knife, made by Hyde; the other end works great for holding a rod key if you open it up a hair with a Dremel cut-off wheel and then polish or plasti-dip it).
« Last Edit: October 31, 2023, 09:08:43 PM by Windsong »
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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2023, 09:47:23 PM »
Ok, so I think I do need to work on the corks as they are not getting any better.

This video seems the best method I have found, wondering if anybody knows what brand and grit of sandpaper he is using.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLLbDHdDRts

If in doubt I will probably start with 150 grit which I already have.


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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2023, 08:01:58 AM »
150 grit is perfect (I use 120-180 for all corks).  I do not like to sand corks with them on the instrument, as I do not like to accidentally sand the tenon lips.  I have done it carefully when it was the easiest route, but instead I like to use a vernier caliper, and make sure whatever cork I need has been sanded, beforehand, to the thickness I project.  To do this, I drag the cork I have just cut backwards across a quarter sheet of sandpaper in one consistent movement, over and over, and then I reverse the direction to get the other end.  Cork is fragile when tugged on, but you will develop a technique for it.

Every tech has a different procedure, but I do not much care of this bloke's method for cork removal.  If it works for him, great, but I will not follow suit.  I know a tech who uses a lathe and a chisel bit--a technique I am even more averse to.  It is also not necessary to remove keys to remove that middle tenon cork, as he stipulates.  Toothpicks are a great tool for spreading contact cement in difficult areas such as this, and then the new cork can be slid behind the keys quite effortlessley.  The same can be done with sandpaper.  I typically start cutting off cork to be replaced with one diagonal slice across the short run of the cork with a small Exacto blade, and then gently lift up and away with a very small screwdriver.  Once I have the cork cleared, I soak a small section of cotton rag in acetone, and rub it across the tenon to rid it of the contact cement.  Shellac requires more effort, but the same same technique is used.  Old shellac is a nuisance, and often takes root in the tenon grooves, making removal more time consuming and fidgety.

For your immediate needs, if you cut a 10-12mm strip of sand paper, you can wrap it round the tenon, and carefully sand it out, back and forth.  Keep in mind that trying to sand cork that has recently been greased is like trying to sand silly putty.  It is slow going and frustrating.
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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2023, 09:46:18 PM »
Ok, I did that, it was a lot of sanding for a small change, one of the two tight corks is now ok, although still tight, the other one (top of the upper joint), is still too tight, so I'll work on it more tomorrow, but at this point I'm sure I can do it, and so far I haven't damaged the finish on the wood. :-)  I'm pretty good with my hands, but new to clarinet.

Edit: did some more work today and it seems good.  I didn't scratch the finish so I'm happy.
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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2023, 05:29:08 PM »
Well done! 
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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2023, 06:00:28 AM »
About Teflon tape on tenon joint corks:

I have had some second thoughts. I still use it, but

* If you put it over real cork, it puts a strangle hold on the cork and doesn't allow it to breathe and recover (expand) again when the clarinet is disassembled. I find that the joints quickly get loose, and then I have to put more Teflon on repeatedly. That just continues the compression of the corks until you might as well strip off the mess of tape and cork and just use either cork or Teflon.

* I find the same thing happens when I put on Valentino artificial cork. I find that the worst joint for getting wobbly is the center tenon. On that joint, I started using the tan sheet instead of the artificial cork. The tan sheet doesn't compress ever, but it doesn't like to slip into the tenon joint, so I have to keep on using Teflon tape on any joints where I use the tan sheet.

So on real cork or on artificial cork, I still use Teflon tape while the joint is still too tight. When it isn't needed, then I peel it off. Valentino artificial cork doesn't need grease, but on real cork I use grease sparingly.

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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2023, 06:46:02 PM »
Thank you for that update, Phil.
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Re: Clarinet Disassembly Tool :-)
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2023, 10:16:55 AM »
For me, it depends on the type of cork grease that causes a mess.  I use the Dr.'s Products cork grease from around 2007 or so, I think?It's more slick than sticky and does needs reapplied all the time, but its sort of temporary, evaporating quality, keeps it from forever attracting dirt like a petroleum cork grease.  Even built up accumulations in the corners of the tenons or socket is easily wiped away and isn't excessively dirty looking and the case liner doesn't look as dirty as I have witnessed is possible from the scores of old cases I've received, or thousands I've browsed for sale at auction.  Also, as claimed, the corks don't turn all black and brittle either.
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