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Offline Snorky

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What is this?
« on: March 22, 2024, 10:00:30 PM »
Hi all. Haven't posted in a long while, but had a request to make this work. Because I have no shame i said I'd see what I could do.
I can't even find what kind of clarinet this is. He said he picked it up in a Turkish flea market. No idea on the manufacturer other than Google gave me
 "ANT. JANDA HODONIN" after I started entering what I thought the marking said.
It is 15 7/8" long to top of barrel. MP is ~2 3/8" tip to start of tenon.
Did not have threaded rods, but just a push friction fit rod. VERY shallow cups with some have almost no cup edge.
Pad sizes 6.5-7mm for most. 13mm biggest .He told me it is an E flat but I wonder. It is so small.
Any info would be great,
Thanks in Advance,
 I hope the pics came through.

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2024, 11:20:12 AM »
What pitch is it?  Ab clarinet?
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2024, 12:42:13 PM »
He told me Eb, but I wonder. The only pictures I could find, without them giving sizes, looked like this might be a "G?" clarinet????

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2024, 07:40:06 PM »
This is a Czechoslovakian (Austro-Hungarian Empire) clarinet in Eb. It dates between 1890-1905.  Very nice.

Pitch could be anywhere from 432HZ-454HZ.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2024, 08:22:05 AM »
Thank you. This jives with what he told me about age. Although I thought it was Turkish.
I will post when/if I can get it back to working order.
Thanks for your insight.
Jeff

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2024, 11:34:05 AM »
My pleasure.  I love those things. They typically have beautiful voices.  I have a couple in the key of C.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2024, 01:01:35 PM »
wow, in that case I'll ask you what pads you have used/gotten for it. The pads seem more like piccolo sized very thin pads.

I'm not sure what/where to order. I have a question in to Instrument Clinic about their thickness of leather piccolo pads.

Thanks Windsong

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2024, 02:50:08 PM »
How neat, Snorky! Thanks for posting the pictures. Very cool. I hope you'll share more when you are done reconditioning it.

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2024, 04:59:40 PM »
Thanks. I hope I can get it back. The key cups worry me though   8)

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2024, 06:25:53 PM »
I recommend leather pads only. Tone holes were different back then, and while you might get a cork pad to seal, it will be more finicky and in need of adjustment.  Fill the cups with hot glue in the center, and let it puddle.  Keep the glue light on the sides, or it will wash the pad lips.  Plan to use a pad floater for better control.  Matching the pads may be tricky, as finding pads made in the same way will likely prove impossible, so check depth and positioning over the tone holes now, so you do not have bend keys later.

I have actually reconditioned 100 year old leather pads effectively, if imperfectly.  They often just fall (or are easily picked) out of the cups, as the shellac no longer holds well, and then the cups can be cleaned with heat and alcohol.  Often the old pads can be wiped with alcohol and then conditioned with leather softener, if they are not perforated.
It will try your patience and skill, but if you are comfortable padding a conventional clarinet, you'll be just fine. 
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2024, 09:30:55 PM »
unfortunately there is a mixture of pads, age appears from older to more modern, Crusty, torn as well as very worn. So I think cleaning not a possibility - maybe 1 or three, so not worth it IMO.
I doubt I have the ability, like you have, to do that kind of thing. The newer pads( a few) look like they are from a more modern supplier, so I have hope.

Thanks much for the reply.

Jeff

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2024, 12:56:35 PM »
I have faith in you!  Let us know if you run into obstacles.  That's what we are here for.
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Re: What is this?
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2024, 01:20:58 PM »
Appreciate it. I'm going to be out of town for a couple weeks, so I have to wait to order the pads, but when I am done, if it works, I'll post some pics.

This group has had many answers for me already in my past skulking  8) ;)

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Re: What is this?
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2024, 03:30:45 AM »
That looks like great fun. Leather pads are nice because the often are a bit more form-fitting to damaged tone holes, which I find 90% of old clarinets to have.

I've tried sanding down tone holes, or filling chips with CA, but it's sometimes simpler just to get a soft pad and let physics do the work
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2024, 08:56:29 PM »
Many thumbs up to that Dave. 8)
Thanks. Jeff