Good stuff on ebay

[DaveLeBlanc]

I might look into that. That little HP Eb Lafayette Freres that I''m still working on (barrel hopelessly stuck) came with a Geo. M. Bundy, which is probably not optimum. Another Eb wooden piece came up recently but the dimension of the tenon was too large for the Lafayette Freres. What's the link to that one?

Have you used heat, a thin wedge and candle wax (paraffin)?  Have you placed the UJ in the freezer for a couple of hours with the joint between the two doused in bore oil, and then applied radiant heat?
It will come loose.
They always do.
::)

I had a Buffet Academy bass clarinet that was hopeless stuck in the middle joint. I couldn't get it apart so I asked my super buff friend and he couldn't either. All we got out of it was a couple of bent rods.
Then I put it in storage for several months, where it usually gets up to 100 degrees.
I took it home one day and voila, it popped right apart. It was great.

[Silversorcerer]

There is not even room for a razor blade between the socket ring on the barrel and the upper joint wood. The fit is so tight that any attempt to get a wedge in there is going to damage the wood. I haven't used paraffin oil, but I do have that for polishing with pumice. There is no crack to get the paraffin oil into. Lighter solvents will soak in there, but these haven't done much either.

I'm reluctant to put an instrument in a freezer or heat it up rapidly. It does get up to 100F in my workshop upstairs office and that is where this instrument has been. It also goes below freezing during the winter sometimes. These are not rapid shocks, but gradual seasonal changes and not enough of a shock to get it to budge.

This is a very delicate instrument being so small and it is in such good condition that I am reluctant to take any risks. It also is one that belongs to a client so I have to more careful than if it was my own investment in a salvage that was at risk.

I know the barrel is stuck because this instrument traveled in one of those leather holster style 50/50 cases from the 19th C. In its' life time, the barrel was rarely removed if ever. The most I did was saturate the area of the socket with bore oil from the inside.

I've pretty much decided to finish the restoration with the barrel stuck in place. Obviously no one is going to play it with the barrel off anyway. In that it is HP, it might not get much more than display use and occasional solo play;- if someone will even buy it. It's a gorgeous instrument and far too short to be more than a reading lamp base.  ;)

[Windsong]

An interesting JTL.  Pad cups are intriguing, as are the pads, themselves.  Could those pads be held in with screws?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-JTL-Unusual-keys-For-Parts-Or-Restore-/162630152282?hash=item25dd83305a:g:47cAAOSw5cNYkAJ6

[DaveLeBlanc]

An interesting JTL.  Pad cups are intriguing, as are the pads, themselves.  Could those pads be held in with screws?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-JTL-Unusual-keys-For-Parts-Or-Restore-/162630152282?hash=item25dd83305a:g:47cAAOSw5cNYkAJ6

That is funky. For all the world they look like repurposed flute pad cups...

[DaveLeBlanc]

Ok so check this out. I don't even know what to call it. The title says it best, "Manuscript for clarinet"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Manuscript-for-clarinet-from-1894/282635195036?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

[noneyet]

Ok so check this out. I don't even know what to call it. The title says it best, "Manuscript for clarinet"

Man, I would love to own that just to say that I did  ::)

[Windsong]

An interesting JTL.  Pad cups are intriguing, as are the pads, themselves.  Could those pads be held in with screws?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerome-Thibouville-Lamy-Clarinet-JTL-Unusual-keys-For-Parts-Or-Restore-/162630152282?hash=item25dd83305a:g:47cAAOSw5cNYkAJ6

That is funky. For all the world they look like repurposed flute pad cups...

Yes, they do, but the work is very good and consistent, it had to have been a labor of love.  But screw in pads/resonators on a clarinet?  I've never seen that.  One-off, perhaps?

[Silversorcerer]

What those pad cups (JTL) look like to me is flute pad cups. Flute (plateau models) pads are set with central screws and I have one very nice old pro Bettoney clarinet that has the large pads on the lower joint set with central screws and washers like flute pads

[DaveLeBlanc]

What those pad cups (JTL) look like to me is flute pad cups. Flute (plateau models) pads are set with central screws and I have one very nice old pro Bettoney clarinet that has the large pads on the lower joint set with central screws and washers like flute pads

But why...

[Windsong]

I guess the next question should be, "Factory furnished, or fabbed?"

[Silversorcerer]

On the Bettoney, it was definitely factory furnished with screw and washer pad cups. It was an idea that did not catch on apparently. Most Bettoney clarinets have normal pad cups. It might have been experimented with by Bettoney because H. Bettoney was first known for flutes. Bettoney experimented with a few innovative ideas, the best IMO was the patented C# side key link to the Eb ring key that enables a similar kind of left hand forked fingering for Eb that one gets from a 7-ring Boehm without all the complications arising from the 7th ring. It's actually my favorite type of Boehm upper key type and so simple that adding the function to other clarinets is generally a simple matter. It's also invisible outwardly.

As to why? Again, on the Bettoney it was only the largest lower joint pads that were attached with screws and washers. Having seen quite a few clarinets with a few detached pads, I have noticed that the pads that tend to detach are the large lower joint pads. There is a good reason for this. The diameters are large enough that expansion and contraction due to temperature fluctuations is sufficient to break the shellac bonds in some cases. If there is a clarinet with a loose pad, it's usually a large pad on the lower joint;- unless it is put on there with a screw and washer at the center of the pad. You almost never see a flute with any of the large pads detached. Most plateau flutes have pads that are screwed in place.

[mechanic]

It looks almost like the metal resonator (for want of a better term) threads onto a screw that is attached to the pad cup.  Note the 2 holes on either side of center, and the lack of a slot in the center.  I have an angle grinder that uses a similar looking setup to hold the cutting disk in place and requires a special wrench that fits into the 2 holes.

[Windsong]

Oh, good eye!  I missed those holes the first go round, but I did notice what I also took to be a small resonator, of sorts.  Interesting, and at least, uncommon.

And yes--the large pads typically fall out first--those and wrap around register key pads, I've noticed.

[DaveLeBlanc]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Harmony-Purple-Clarinet-/282641893423?hash=item41cec5082f:g:kBcAAOSwAPVZMFcf

A bit much...

[Windsong]

Ten grand for a purple CSO?
The seller is clearly "taking the piss".

If one just HAS to have one, this one will save $9900.00
https://www.thepurplestore.com/cgi-bin/product_detail.cgi?pstore_id=9965